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re: Why do people join the military and then not expect to actually fight at all?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:41 am to Mobile Patriot
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:41 am to Mobile Patriot
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15,000 missions with only 12 deaths. Its really unbelievable.
Weren't those deaths at remote bases not near the main conflict?
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:53 am to RIPMachoMan
quote:It was the Department of War before it was the Department of Defense. It has had its name restored.
Is it crazy?
It was DoD before it was the Dept. of war…
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:04 am to cbree88
The way I look at it is the less fighting they're doing the better things are going. In a perfect world they'd just be used as a deterrent or to hand out water bottles and MREs at homeland disasters
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:06 am to Obtuse1
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Maybe 15% of members of the military will see combat as defined by CIB/CAB requirements
I think you can move that decimal once, if not twice, to the left
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:07 am to cbree88
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It’s crazy how many people join the military and then have no expectation at all of fighting or seeing any combat.
They expect to just show up and collect a paycheck and not actually do anything. Why is that? Why are people such lazy bums and cowards?
It makes me think of that marine who threw a fit and had to be pulled away from Congress a few weeks ago while saying “no one wants to fight for Israel!!”. I don’t get it. Why did you join the military in the first place?
I imagine there are more non-combat jobs in the military than there are combat jobs.
That sentence doesn't sound great.. it's too early to care.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:22 am to cbree88
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no one wants to fight for Israel!!”
Is he wrong? To be fair here, we have only fought 1 legitimate war in my lifetime. By legitimate I mean a declared war by congress to fight an enemy in the actual best interest of the American Citizens. That was the Afghanistan kill Bin Laden portion of the war on terror.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:23 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Studies have also found that poor kids out of high school join the military
I was one of them, but that was in 1997…a different time. Once I pissed away a potential baseball scholarship, there were really no other options for me. No jobs in the podunk town where I’m from in south GA.
I was able parlay it into multiple college degrees with zero student loan debt and a solid post military retirement career.
I did plenty of deployments and served with honor. I was very aware of what was required though. The potential of giving my life in service was something I was well aware of.
The military can be a great springboard to future success if one takes advantage of the opportunities available to them.
There are plenty of slugs in the military, but there are also some pretty impressive people
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:25 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Weren't those deaths at remote bases not near the main conflict?
The seven servicemen were killed in a drone attack at a command center in Kuwait. The drones were launched by Iran. And as far as "not near the main conflict", there is no real centralized point of conflict. We are bombing the entire country of Iran, and as you know, Iran is attacking multiple countries and Isreal and Lebanon are lobbing missiles at each other. Ships in the Straits of Hormuz have also been attacked, adding to the geographic scope of the conflict. This is the nature of drone, missile and tech warfare.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:27 am to cbree88
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They expect to just show up and collect a paycheck and not actually do anything.
Welcome to the younger generation. It’s the same way in corporate America. It’s a chore to get them to even show up 5 days a week.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:30 am to cbree88
I don’t either. Meanwhile, my son is irritated because he’s achieved a rank and position that for the most part keeps him out of the fight.
He wants to be in the fight so bad it’s tearing him up.
He wants to be in the fight so bad it’s tearing him up.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:39 am to Sam Quint
quote:Nah. The percentage is obviously lower now than most of the last 25 years, but CIB/CAB requirements are easier to meet than you might think, especially in the asymmetrical environments we seem to keep finding ourselves in.
I think you can move that decimal once, if not twice, to the left
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 6:40 am
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:48 am to ronricks
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They are all job programs for low IQ people who can’t cut it in the private sector.
You are talking about the same military that got Maduro and is currently smoking Iran with almost no combat losses, yes? Low IQ, hmmm?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:50 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Weren't those deaths at remote bases not near the main conflict?
There is no 'frontline' anymore in the age of the ballistic missile. All are at risk.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:08 am to cbree88
To be fair, when I went through MEPS in early 2001, there were plenty of shitbags in there. In fact, I’d say there was a very small minority there with the intention of actual service. This was right before 9/11 so it was obviously a peacetime mentality but there have always been a massive amount of shitbags in the military. I think social media is now shedding light on it. It’s why I always laugh when people act like everyone who served in the military is some noble warrior. Unfortunately, the truth is probably around 30-40% are lazy people looking to do the bare minimum.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:15 am to Quatre Pot
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Is he wrong? To be fair here, we have only fought 1 legitimate war in my lifetime. By legitimate I mean a declared war by congress to fight an enemy in the actual best interest of the American Citizens. That was the Afghanistan kill Bin Laden portion of the war on terror.
You must be really old because the last time congress declared war was in 1942
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:23 am to northshorebamaman
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Link these studies. Because i'm pretty sure what they actually say is that when it even sort of comes up as a primary driver, which is still only mentioned in less than a third of the respondents, they’re, at best, referenced broadly as "for the benefits" bundled with pay, training, and the GI Bill. Almost no one lists 'health insurance' as a standalone motivation. I was in basic. We had this conversation constantly. I never heard anyone say they joined for health insurance. Not once. What I did hear: guys buying an F150 with their enlistment bonuses, guys trying to get college paid for, and a lot of guys,like me, who felt like they didn't have much going on, and felt were just spinning their wheels in whatever shite town they came from. And think about the logic. The kind of person who is forward-thinking enough to prioritize health insurance for a primary life decision at 18 isn’t the same person who joins the army out of desperation.
100%, never heard a young person say he/she joined for insurance and I did 32 years. Once TRICARE became available for the guard, i did meet a couple of folks who enlisted at an older age (nearing 40) for health insurance.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:24 am to cbree88
I've always thought all Americans should give two years in the service directly after high school. This would help with this thinking
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:34 am to cbree88
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:38 am to cbree88
The quality of recruit has drastically gone down. I knew a bunch of people through high school and college, let's call them DMV caliber people, who joined the military hoping to cash in on benefits, but not actually have to military.
edit: I've clearly upset the crowd that was lured to enlist with the promise of a dodge charger
edit: I've clearly upset the crowd that was lured to enlist with the promise of a dodge charger
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:40 am to upgrayedd
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It’s why I always laugh when people act like everyone who served in the military is some noble warrior. Unfortunately, the truth is probably around 30-40% are lazy people looking to do the bare minimum.
I’ll have to disagree with you here. Each one of these people knew going in there was a chance, albeit a very small chance, they would see combat. Each one of them laid in bed at night prior to leaving for training camp thinking they may never return. That’s a real fear. They signed on the line willing to make that sacrifice whether it be for themselves, their family or country. So, you can’t discount those lazy folks. They, too, made a very difficult choice to fight for country if necessary. And they did it on their own. Their service to country is to be respected and appreciated regardless of their laziness. Don’t laugh at those that appreciate the service of the enlisted. Not cool.
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