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re: Why are public schools so bad, particularly in the South?
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:21 am to LSUneaux
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:21 am to LSUneaux
The ONLY realistic salvage to the entire public school system is to tie public school performance & discipline to Welfare/government assistance status. When anyone tries to make it about race, hit them with the stats:
-If you can't behave in school = reduction in government assistance
-If you can't pass & you have a failure in the way of parental/guardian participation/attention/improvement = reduction in government assistance
-If you drop out of school = you do not qualify for government assistance
Before you break your Jump To Conclusions mat, realize how many opportunities we already give people in the public education system. You will have to keep those processes in place. Ideally, over time, we can adjust + streamline them.
As passionately as the vocal fight for BLM/ALM/racial equality is going right now we need the silent majority to become vocal & get behind the charge to promote positive self sustainability in their lifetime. Education needs to move to the forefront of societal importance & self respect. We have to support our teachers. We are losing far too many, more & more at a fast clip, year after year. Sooner or later, there won't be anyone left...
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Welfare statistics by race
41 percent of Medicaid recipients were white, 20 percent were African American and 30 percent were Hispanic in 2018. [Source: KFF]
In 2018 35.7 percent of SNAP program beneficiaries were white, 25.7 percent were African American, 17.2 percent were Hispanic, 3.1 percent were Asian. [Source: USDA]
Of TANF recipients in 2016, 27.9 percent of were white, 19.1 percent were African American 36.9 percent were Hispanic. [Source: Department of Health and Human Services]
-If you can't behave in school = reduction in government assistance
-If you can't pass & you have a failure in the way of parental/guardian participation/attention/improvement = reduction in government assistance
-If you drop out of school = you do not qualify for government assistance
Before you break your Jump To Conclusions mat, realize how many opportunities we already give people in the public education system. You will have to keep those processes in place. Ideally, over time, we can adjust + streamline them.
As passionately as the vocal fight for BLM/ALM/racial equality is going right now we need the silent majority to become vocal & get behind the charge to promote positive self sustainability in their lifetime. Education needs to move to the forefront of societal importance & self respect. We have to support our teachers. We are losing far too many, more & more at a fast clip, year after year. Sooner or later, there won't be anyone left...
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:47 am to Tigear
You assume administrators would be honest about their school’s academic performance.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:52 am to LSUneaux
Cultcha
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:58 am to LSUneaux
Parents who do not value education.
It is too difficult to boot out disruptive students. The effort is spent on retaining the disruptive students as opposed to kicking them out so the students who want to learn can.
There is not enough emphasis on core learning.
It is too difficult to boot out disruptive students. The effort is spent on retaining the disruptive students as opposed to kicking them out so the students who want to learn can.
There is not enough emphasis on core learning.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:34 am to tduecen
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it won't happen because education has gone the way of politics in that people do it for money rather than a purpose. The people who are running it are not in it for the right reason and end up making bank. Look at the new superintendent candidates, some had never stepped foot in a classroom/school but these are the people that are supposed to make decisions about discipline, Curriculums, and teacher grading.
Public education at all levels have become jobs programs for the states. When that changes, real reform will happen
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:35 am to LSUneaux
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I’m going to guess it begins and ends with the childs’ home life, and how they are raised.
If not for the "particularly in the South" line I would tend to agree with you.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:02 pm to Tigear
Schools already fudge academic performance and discipline for better state scores....
The less suspensions/expulsions the better the score
The less suspensions/expulsions the better the score
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:06 pm to chinhoyang
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It is too difficult to boot out disruptive students. The effort is spent on retaining the disruptive students as opposed to kicking them out so the students who want to learn can.
I'm all for advocating for kids coming from shitty situations that have the potential to do better and helping them get to that point. A lot of those kids are missing out on a good education because we won't deal with legitimate disciplinary issues in schools. And they fall through the cracks as a result.
When we deal with violent kids or extremely disruptive kids who are not ECE in a self-contained room we should hand their parents an eSchool ID and password and tell them to figure it out themselves.
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:15 pm to Hennigan
Why did white people stop having kids in 1990?
Drugs and taxes. Men and women had to work to pay for their lifestyle. Thins became more important and mom's couldn't afford to stay home and raise a family. Then they got enlightened and started the women's right movement. Another oppressed group.
Drugs and taxes. Men and women had to work to pay for their lifestyle. Thins became more important and mom's couldn't afford to stay home and raise a family. Then they got enlightened and started the women's right movement. Another oppressed group.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:29 pm to GentleJackJones
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I agree, but does the emphasis really need to be placed on it? Shouldn't we emphasize STEM coursework?
well the current educational system has ceased teaching "history" and now spoon feeds a narrative of revisionist history that blames the white man for everything, claims America was unjustly founded (on the back of blacks), and promotes socialism over capitalism. It also distorts the Constitution and our Independence as much as possible.
the result is a generation of children with no historical perspective, sense of their own heritage, ability to conjugate a verb, or knowledge of where the hell anything is. They have been instructed that they are supposed to feel guilty for being white, get offended by everything, and apologize to certain minorities for their own ethnicity. So yeah, lets forget the liberal arts.
But hey, they can code.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:37 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Yep and private schools will do not have to accept children with mental handicaps. A public school teacher has to provide an education to an autistic kid in the same classroom as a gifted kid. NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND!
That’s probably because they can select the kids they educate. Public schools can’t just boot problem kids out. They’re forced to deal with them no matter the lack of support at home.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:40 pm to LSUneaux
I was reading an article a few months ago that if you excluded certain demographics out of the USA's education system, we would have similiar outcomes to Nordic and East Asian countries. They didn't outright say what the demographics were but you could take a guess.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:45 pm to Deuces
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He said he and his friends smoked weed and play basketball in the gym until about lunch and then they’d ditch school and leave. He went to class maybe once a week and had straight A’s. He said he’d never done a project in his life. This kid was 16 years old.
I’d say that’s not very unusual in many failing public schools, and it’s what we should simply refer to as Child Abuse, for no other reason than you are setting these kids up for a lifetime of failure, disappointment, and unpreparedness for the real world, much like their horrific home life has as well. That’s sick. All the way around, and you cannot expect much of anything from that. You’ve not invested anything in them, so don’t be surprised when they don’t amount to much of anything but criminals.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:46 pm to Tigear
100% agree. I used to teach and my wife still does. In my opinion, we need to bring back afterschool detention and fine parents who don't show up to behavior meetings. Take it out of their tax refund if they don't pay it.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:47 pm to tduecen
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Schools already fudge academic performance and discipline for better state scores....
Damn right they do, and it isn't even just with poor performing students. I've known a handful of students over the past few years who are getting an "Advanced Diploma" or whatever it is called. One of them had a failing grade at the midterm. She said, "That's okay, they scale the grades and I will have a B." Other kids at other schools said the same thing happens with their classes.
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/15/20 at 12:56 pm to Kafka
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Before women were able to get into the general labor pool, they were very limited in job opportunities. As a result women took teaching jobs. Teaching got the best and most qualified women.
This has to play a role and would be an interesting study to see some data on (but there probably isn't anyone willing to do the study and write the paper).
Posted on 6/15/20 at 1:02 pm to LSUneaux
1. Federal government "one size fits all" testing and curriculum. $ is given to schools that meet criteria. Federal money should go to the state/local jurisdictions and they build curriculum based on needs of their own area.
2. Teachers unions do nothing but protect bad teachers from being let go.
3. Home life of the children and the decline of 2 parent homes.
4. Lack of personal responsibility. Teachers and schools get blamed for poor performing students when most of the problem is parents/students not holding themselves accountable.
2. Teachers unions do nothing but protect bad teachers from being let go.
3. Home life of the children and the decline of 2 parent homes.
4. Lack of personal responsibility. Teachers and schools get blamed for poor performing students when most of the problem is parents/students not holding themselves accountable.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 1:06 pm to 0
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It’s not just the south, it’s pretty much any area with a low economic population.
Pretty much, the south has more poverty, so you will see it more here. That's also probably why our police shootings against races is much less disproportionate in the south vs the north when you compare white to black cases. Mississippi is pretty much 1 for 1 in police shootings.
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/15/20 at 1:17 pm to LSUneaux
In many areas, such as nice Midwestern suburbs Public schools are great.
In Sugarland Texas they are good.
Your generalization is a little too broad.
In Sugarland Texas they are good.
Your generalization is a little too broad.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 1:20 pm to LSUneaux
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Why are public schools so bad, particularly in the South?
THIS is a trap.
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