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re: Why are public schools so bad, particularly in the South?
Posted on 6/15/20 at 6:46 am to LSUneaux
Posted on 6/15/20 at 6:46 am to LSUneaux
1.) Home life. Schools can’t directly control that so it’s a waste of time to focus on that as a school as something to change or fix.
2.) Student discipline. We have designed a system in which you really can’t remove a student from the public school system. One reason was as a society we felt kids not going to school would cause even more problems than bad kids in school. We also removed physical punishment as a form of discipline. We probably should work on some way to isolate problem students from the rest of the student body. Not sure how this would look, but you don’t have a lot of options.
3.) Curriculum. We teach students a lot of useless information. We should just focus on what’s necessary, especially at grade level. No real need teaching history to third graders who are having difficulty learning to read. There is plenty of time to teach history, and once they become proficient readers it will be easy.
4.) Pass or fail focused. We base everything on a year in school and we tie everything together. At elementary school we should promote when a student hits level and not before. Promoting a kid who can’t read at grade level is doing a disservice to the student and society. Math and ELA should be independent from one another. If a student does well in math he should be able to progress and continue to learn while being held back in reading until he is proficient at reading at level.
5.) Abolish summer school. If a student couldn’t pass with a year of instruction how are we passing those same kids on to the next year with just six weeks of additional instruction? This never made sense to me.
6.) Technology. School systems are obsessed with it, they waste time and resources on it. We need to get back to basics, especially in elementary. Just teach reading, writing, and arithmetic and everything else will work out fine. It’s easier for parents to help kids if they have books, you don’t have to waste time to troubleshoot a book, and you don’t need the internet or even electricity to use a book. The latest and greatest technology isn’t the most robust and reliable way to do anything, but for some unexplainable reason schools think technology is going to magically improve student performance, it insane if you ask me.
2.) Student discipline. We have designed a system in which you really can’t remove a student from the public school system. One reason was as a society we felt kids not going to school would cause even more problems than bad kids in school. We also removed physical punishment as a form of discipline. We probably should work on some way to isolate problem students from the rest of the student body. Not sure how this would look, but you don’t have a lot of options.
3.) Curriculum. We teach students a lot of useless information. We should just focus on what’s necessary, especially at grade level. No real need teaching history to third graders who are having difficulty learning to read. There is plenty of time to teach history, and once they become proficient readers it will be easy.
4.) Pass or fail focused. We base everything on a year in school and we tie everything together. At elementary school we should promote when a student hits level and not before. Promoting a kid who can’t read at grade level is doing a disservice to the student and society. Math and ELA should be independent from one another. If a student does well in math he should be able to progress and continue to learn while being held back in reading until he is proficient at reading at level.
5.) Abolish summer school. If a student couldn’t pass with a year of instruction how are we passing those same kids on to the next year with just six weeks of additional instruction? This never made sense to me.
6.) Technology. School systems are obsessed with it, they waste time and resources on it. We need to get back to basics, especially in elementary. Just teach reading, writing, and arithmetic and everything else will work out fine. It’s easier for parents to help kids if they have books, you don’t have to waste time to troubleshoot a book, and you don’t need the internet or even electricity to use a book. The latest and greatest technology isn’t the most robust and reliable way to do anything, but for some unexplainable reason schools think technology is going to magically improve student performance, it insane if you ask me.
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 7:03 am
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 6:48 am to LSUneaux
Judge John Parker
Posted on 6/15/20 at 6:48 am to cssamerican
Lyndon B. Johnson's "Great Society" did its job.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:02 am to LSUneaux
Schools aren’t as bad as people make it seem. Parental involvement have a lot to do with it imo. Parents that are involved in the kids life = success in and out the class room.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:24 am to LSUneaux
Absent parents
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:32 am to LSUneaux
They need more funding. Defund the police and use that money to provide additional funding to public schools.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:34 am to LSUneaux
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It’s pitiful listening to athletes have difficulty with subject-verb agreement in every interview
You ever watch a math nerd with perfect diction try to run a 40, jump hurdles, or catch a football?
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 7:35 am
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:37 am to LSUneaux
Until they make education one of the highest priorities in this country, it’ll steadily get worse around us. Teachers aren’t paid enough to deal with all the bullshite that unions and upper management.
There are a massive amount of stupid MFers
There are a massive amount of stupid MFers
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:49 am to Prominentwon
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Until they make education one of the highest priorities in this country, it’ll steadily get worse around us. Teachers aren’t paid enough to deal with all the bullshite that unions and upper management.
The US spends the 4th most per student, we are spending the money. Amazing private schools can do it better with less money per student.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:51 am to kellyboy23
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yndon B. Johnson's "Great Society" did its
This is the answer to most of today’s ills.
Especially the increase in poverty and single parent / absent parent homes
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:03 am to choupiquesushi
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The US spends the 4th most per student, we are spending the money. Amazing private schools can do it better with less money per student.
Goes to show that the public school procedures are antiquated then.
Education needs a complete reform. Parents need to understand that school is the most important part of a child’s life and need programs to prioritize it.
If they can make a terrible program about cafeteria food and it catches on, they can come up with something about education. But they need to have a bit better of an idea of what’s going on in schools and we can only hope it turns out better than the cafeteria program did.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:08 am to tigerinthebueche
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But hey, if you feel undertaxed, write a check. Put
Your money where your your mouth is. I promise you the La dept of revenue won’t send you your
Money back.
This is how I'm starting to see the problem as well. Since about March when all this popped out I have been cynical about how effective our government is, and I've been proven right day after day. My initial thought was, "I really don't like government." and "This is why people don't like to be taxed, when they see their money being flushed down the toilet."
My conclusion was government bad. And lately I'm starting to see it the other way. It's not the concept of government, it's the idiots running our government who have set up a system that robs their own constituents with a smile on their face. I don't see how it will ever change.
Until the United States government can show us that they have a clue what they are doing regarding the allocation of our funds, I'll be voting for those who cut taxes, if anyone like that actually exists.
People love to shite on European countries about their tax rates, but look at the quality of life in some of those places. I'd gladly pay a 50% tax rate for 5 mandatory weeks of paid vacation, free healthcare, subsidized education, and a year and a half of paternity leave. But if we were to give our government 50% of our money, I have complete faith they'd frick that up royally.
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 8:09 am
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:09 am to LSUneaux
1. Administrations are politically appointed toadies.
2. Admins only purpose is to avoid any political or legal
backlash.
3. In order to avoid lawsuits documented discipline
against minorities is rigorously and actively avoided.
4. Without discipline, teaching is impossible.
5. Administrators and supervisors no longer monitor daily
classroom teaching in most cases.
6. The "best" Teachers only try to help the students
that want to learn or are motivated by their home
life.
7. All other teachers are babysitters just there to get
paid and keep the rapes and open drug use to a minimum.
8. Any numbers that affect funding are fudged or outright faked.
9. Any resistance to the regime is met with unstoppable
career destruction or Siberia assignments.
The only way to save public ed is to go back to the one room school house model with supervision and accountability in the hands of the parents that directly contract with the teachers. Make them immune to lawsuit as a school group or system and hold individuals(teachers,aids, staff) financially responsible for discriminatory or criminal actions instead.
2. Admins only purpose is to avoid any political or legal
backlash.
3. In order to avoid lawsuits documented discipline
against minorities is rigorously and actively avoided.
4. Without discipline, teaching is impossible.
5. Administrators and supervisors no longer monitor daily
classroom teaching in most cases.
6. The "best" Teachers only try to help the students
that want to learn or are motivated by their home
life.
7. All other teachers are babysitters just there to get
paid and keep the rapes and open drug use to a minimum.
8. Any numbers that affect funding are fudged or outright faked.
9. Any resistance to the regime is met with unstoppable
career destruction or Siberia assignments.
The only way to save public ed is to go back to the one room school house model with supervision and accountability in the hands of the parents that directly contract with the teachers. Make them immune to lawsuit as a school group or system and hold individuals(teachers,aids, staff) financially responsible for discriminatory or criminal actions instead.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:11 am to LSUneaux
They are good in Alabama.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:13 am to LSUneaux
They aren’t all bad- they are bad in low income areas. Birmingham has some incredible schools but the inner city schools are pretty horrible.
My in laws live in Chicago- they go to public schools and whichever one their kids go to they pay for? I forget how it works, so does anyone know or is anyone familiar with people paying for public schools? My point is, whichever ones they attend aren’t bad but they pay for them.
My in laws live in Chicago- they go to public schools and whichever one their kids go to they pay for? I forget how it works, so does anyone know or is anyone familiar with people paying for public schools? My point is, whichever ones they attend aren’t bad but they pay for them.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
more money per student goes into Bogalusa's schools and they consistently fail. And they continually vote for the same representation. It ain't about money. It's about govt employees gone wild.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:17 am to LSUneaux
Stress in the homelife, lack of firn parental support and we also are pretty bad at identifying the different ways kids learn and setting them up for success in the classroom as well.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:22 am to Sneaky__Sally
oddly enough, there are good public schools in New Orleans and Baton Rouge, but you have to make the grade to get in (in BR to get in to BRHS, as I understand you have to start the magnet program in elementary school)
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:26 am to LSUneaux
It basically comes down to home life. If the parent(s) don’t care then odds are not good for the student.
It’s a vicious cycle, how can you make people care about going to school when their parents didn’t care and the school sucks anyway? They don’t see the ROI.
I think people go way overboard with the “you should go to tech school, you’ll make six figures as a plumber” suggestions. That being said, having more technical programs in our schools as options (or even required if the student is not on a college prep track) is something that needs to be done. It needs to start at the middle school level too. It’s not going to be a silver bullet, but you’ve got to do something that 1) makes kids productive members of society regardless of whether or not they have college aspirations and 2) the kids see value in doing.
It’s a vicious cycle, how can you make people care about going to school when their parents didn’t care and the school sucks anyway? They don’t see the ROI.
I think people go way overboard with the “you should go to tech school, you’ll make six figures as a plumber” suggestions. That being said, having more technical programs in our schools as options (or even required if the student is not on a college prep track) is something that needs to be done. It needs to start at the middle school level too. It’s not going to be a silver bullet, but you’ve got to do something that 1) makes kids productive members of society regardless of whether or not they have college aspirations and 2) the kids see value in doing.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:36 am to LSUneaux
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particularly in the South?
Actually, public schools are better in the South than they are in other parts of the country, specifically urban areas.
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