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re: Where have all the heart attacks gone?

Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:02 pm to
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40262 posts
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:02 pm to
GIB?? GI bleed??
This post was edited on 4/12/20 at 10:03 pm
Posted by LSUFANDS
Denham Springs, La.
Member since Dec 2006
1455 posts
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:14 pm to
I just had one 2 days ago. 2blockages and 2stints. Back home today
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:16 pm to
Here is your likely answer:

Sleep
People are sleeping in...

Why does that matter



Most events happen in the AM (due to stress hormones rising to get you up...)

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2018/10/26/can-daylight-saving-time-hurt-the-heart-prepare-now-for-spring

quote:

Can daylight saving time hurt the heart? Prepare now for spring
By American Heart Association News


quote:

For people who have heart-related problems, they may want to apply that extra 60 minutes in their day toward making healthier lifestyle changes. That's because researchers say when daylight saving time returns, it brings with it a higher chance of having a stroke or heart attack.


Pretty consistent phenonoma that occurs when the construct changes (mainly on the "loss" of spring forward)

quote:

A combination of those risk factors and the disruption to the body's internal clock, or its circadian rhythm, may be enough to throw the entire body off balance, said Michael Grandner, director of the Sleep and Health Research Program at the University of Arizona in Tucson.

"If you look under the car hood, you see lots of belts and gears and pistons and all sorts of parts that have their own rhythms, but which are related to each other," he said. "The body has lots of similar rhythms, so anything from the rhythm of your blood pressure, to the rhythm of your body temperature, your hormones, how you metabolize blood sugar or consolidate memories. All of these systems are within the same body and many are at least indirectly related to each other."

When daylight saving time kicks in, the process artificially changes the external environment without adjusting the body's internal clock, essentially giving the body jet lag, Grandner said. The body then needs to reset and synchronize its internal systems.

"But when you get people who are ill or who already have some hormonal disruption or other biological problem that depends on a clock, that's where you get problems," he said. "It's why you have things like a heart attack. There's a rhythm to heart function, and when all of a sudden you jostle that rhythm for a heart already very sensitive or diseased or struggling to stay healthy, you disrupt its ability to regulate itself properly for a day or so."


People are more grounded in their circadian rythym (outside more, sleeping in...)

I have argued elsewhere that the construct of modern living kills people...
This is a small window into how this works...
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91698 posts
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:16 pm to
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I believe it is largely diet related that these incidents are down. Pinpointing exactly what it is will probably be difficult. Ive lost about 5 lbs just because I’m eating smaller portions than what I normally get at restaurants.


People are still snacking and probably drinking more.

If you had heart disease, 3 weeks of quarantine isn't fixing that.

The stroke thing I don't think is related to eating out vs at home.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:17 pm to
Many things happen during sleep, including lower of heart rate and optimization of heart rate variability (a proxy for stress...)

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/heart-rate-variability-new-way-track-well-2017112212789

quote:

Heart rate variability: A new way to track well-being
POSTED NOVEMBER 22, 2017, 10:00 AM , UPDATED OCTOBER 22, 2019, 3:53 PM
Marcelo Campos, MDMarcelo Campos, MD
Contributor


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What is HRV?

HRV is simply a measure of the variation in time between each heartbeat. This variation is controlled by a primitive part of the nervous system called the autonomic nervous system (ANS). It works regardless of our desire and regulates, among other things, our heart rate, blood pressure, breathing, and digestion. The ANS is subdivided into two large components, the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system, also known as the fight-or-flight mechanism and the relaxation response.

The brain is constantly processing information in a region called the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus, through the ANS, sends signals to the rest of the body either to stimulate or to relax different functions. It responds not only to a poor night of sleep, or that sour interaction with your boss, but also to the exciting news that you got engaged, or to that delicious healthy meal you had for lunch. Our body handles all kinds of stimuli and life goes on. However, if we have persistent instigators such as stress, poor sleep, unhealthy diet, dysfunctional relationships, isolation or solitude, and lack of exercise, this balance may be disrupted, and your fight-or-flight response can shift into overdrive.


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Why check heart rate variability?

HRV is an interesting and noninvasive way to identify these ANS imbalances. If a person’s system is in more of a fight-or-flight mode, the variation between subsequent heartbeats is low. If one is in a more relaxed state, the variation between beats is high. In other words, the healthier the ANS the faster you are able to switch gears, showing more resilience and flexibility. Over the past few decades, research has shown a relationship between low HRV and worsening depression or anxiety. A low HRV is even associated with an increased risk of death and cardiovascular disease.

People who have a high HRV may have greater cardiovascular fitness and be more resilient to stress. HRV may also provide personal feedback about your lifestyle and help motivate those who are considering taking steps toward a healthier life. It is fascinating to see how HRV changes as you incorporate more mindfulness, meditation, sleep, and especially physical activity into your life. For those who love data and numbers, this can be a nice way to track how your nervous system is reacting not only to the environment, but also to your emotions, thoughts, and feelings.


The system tries to reset itself with good quality and quantity sleep...
Sadly, most have other priorities or do not care (self fulfilling prophecy of "sleep when I am dead")
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
61883 posts
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:26 pm to
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The question is, why?



The good little worker bees aren’t killing themselves working for the queen.
Posted by Utah Tiger
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
1152 posts
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:34 pm to
Hormesis. There is a healthy biologic response to certain types of stress. It takes a pandemic to get people to see the reality of life (stressful) and hunker down to make better health and lifestyle choices.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
12161 posts
Posted on 4/12/20 at 11:55 pm to


Same place pneumonia has.
Posted by FLTech
he/won
Member since Sep 2017
29195 posts
Posted on 4/12/20 at 11:56 pm to
Coronavirus took them
Posted by Mr. Elvert
Dallas
Member since Oct 2012
15329 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:06 am to
quote:

Where is our food coming from at the moment. I know a lot of chicken is normally imported from China but there is no shortage of chicken. Did we change the sourcing?


The US is self sufficient on chicken baw. Most of it comes from SEC states. USA Chicken companies actually looking at euthanising birds and breaking eggs now as we have too much supply
Posted by chimesstreet
Bucks County, PA
Member since Jan 2008
1850 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:27 am to
quote:

The coroner asked him to perform a Covid test on a man who shot himself in The head.


Sadly, people with mental issues have taken their own lives, and the lives of others, due to coronavirus.

There could also be another reason for asking for a covid test on a gunshot victim....to inform all those who came in contact with the person. Or at least inform next of kin so they can be tested.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42784 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 5:29 am to
I disagree with your first part.

I completely agree with your second part.
Posted by oob02
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
363 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:16 am to
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I believe the population that was hit the hardest are the ones that would be having the strokes and the MIs, among others. The populations overlap, IMO.


I agree 100% Scruffy. Rarely did I pull up a COVID patient’s chart and they hadn’t been hospitalized at least once in the past year. If I did...usually they were well enough to go home from the ER. Not to mention the staggering number of nursing home COVID patients which are a large part of our Hospital population anyhow.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76206 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:25 am to
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I just had one 2 days ago. 2blockages and 2stints. Back home today
You were SUPPOSED to catch COVID-19 whilst there and, well, you know what.

Stop being so selfish.

Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23217 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:39 am to
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Emergencies are down.

The question is, why?


I would think with a large majority of people just sitting on their couches, it lessens the chance of something serious happening like a car accident or something related to over exerting yourself.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19366 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:34 am to
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Some 38 year old male in Seattle tested positive for Corona a few weeks back and tragically died in an automobile accident several days later. The family said the hospital listed his cause of death due to Corona. They had to fight them to fix it.

Absolutely no doubt the numbers are being inflated.
did a friend of a friend tell you this?
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
17077 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:57 am to
The obvious explanation is they are listing non-covid deaths as covid deaths.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:01 am to
yeah
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Where is our food coming from at the moment. I know a lot of chicken is normally imported from China but there is no shortage of chicken. Did we change the sourcing

Is “China” the name of some small town in Arkansas?
Posted by lshuge
Member since Sep 2017
989 posts
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:18 am to
the COD is listed as COVID-19.
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