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When do we start holding the legal profession accountable?
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:24 pm
On the one hand, you have DAs and judges releasing a contract killer after 2 years of a 15 year sentence, and the guy goes on and murders 14 people and wounds 28 more. See post on Birmingham contract killer.
On the other hand, you have politically motivated DAs who can "get an indictment against a ham sandwich". The Soros DA in Austin was rejected by multiple grand juries - at least 4 IIRC - before finally dragging Daniel Perry into a kangaroo court where evidence was intentionally withheld.
For the cherry on top, you can't last in any kind of profitable business for more than a few years without having to defend a frivolous lawsuit. We all pay for that every single day in the price of everything we buy.
The Bar has not done a thing, and won't, to any of these people. At some point, do we accept that the legal profession is incapable of policing itself and needs external regulation? We have done that for the once-untouchable medical profession, perhaps to too great a degree, but even most of that stems from out of control lawyers.
So, how do we hold them accountable? You can't expect perfection from judges or DAs, so extreme punishments are out, but there should be both a cumulative penalty and lesser incremental penalties, and in extreme cases like the Birmingham hit man, punishment should be severe. For example, for every criminal a judge lets go early that commits another serious crime, the judge's pay is docked.
If a DA wrongly sends someone to jail AND it is shown that evidence was intentionally withheld or there was other misconduct, disbarment should be on the table.
I'll hang up now and listen to the shitshow.
On the other hand, you have politically motivated DAs who can "get an indictment against a ham sandwich". The Soros DA in Austin was rejected by multiple grand juries - at least 4 IIRC - before finally dragging Daniel Perry into a kangaroo court where evidence was intentionally withheld.
For the cherry on top, you can't last in any kind of profitable business for more than a few years without having to defend a frivolous lawsuit. We all pay for that every single day in the price of everything we buy.
The Bar has not done a thing, and won't, to any of these people. At some point, do we accept that the legal profession is incapable of policing itself and needs external regulation? We have done that for the once-untouchable medical profession, perhaps to too great a degree, but even most of that stems from out of control lawyers.
So, how do we hold them accountable? You can't expect perfection from judges or DAs, so extreme punishments are out, but there should be both a cumulative penalty and lesser incremental penalties, and in extreme cases like the Birmingham hit man, punishment should be severe. For example, for every criminal a judge lets go early that commits another serious crime, the judge's pay is docked.
If a DA wrongly sends someone to jail AND it is shown that evidence was intentionally withheld or there was other misconduct, disbarment should be on the table.
I'll hang up now and listen to the shitshow.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:26 pm to TigerHornII
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If a DA wrongly sends someone to jail AND it is shown that evidence was intentionally withheld or there was other misconduct, disbarment should be on the table.
Disbarment is on the table in that situation.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:29 pm to TigerHornII
For starters there are too many. Too many leads to increased competition to survive. Shady and unethical things then occur to survive. It’s not an honorable profession.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:32 pm to TigerHornII
We need to have both tough DA’s and pay Public Defender’s better. That second part may be unpopular here, but PD’s are very important.
The criminal justice system only works when both sides are putting up their best fight.
The criminal justice system only works when both sides are putting up their best fight.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:32 pm to TigerHornII
Gordon out here saying if you get the baby you can sue.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:33 pm to Dizz
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Disbarment is on the table in that situation.
Never heard of it happening. It has been clearly documented in the Daniel Perry case as just one example of many. Are there stats on disbarments by the ABA? Honest question.....
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:35 pm to TigerHornII
Ever seen Law Abiding Citizen…?
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:36 pm to TigerHornII
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For the cherry on top, you can't last in any kind of profitable business for more than a few years without having to defend a frivolous lawsuit. W
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For example, for every criminal a judge lets go early that commits another serious crime, the judge's pay is docked.
You're removing the personal accountability of the criminal from the equation.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:37 pm to TigerHornII
Judges are much worse than attorneys.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:38 pm to TigerHornII
the legal profession is too busy protecting folks from the legal profession to be accountable
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:41 pm to TigerHornII
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For example, for every criminal a judge lets go early that commits another serious crime, the judge's pay is docked.
You don't even have to dock the pay. Just allow them to be sued.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:43 pm to TigerHornII
Judges have judicial immunity.
If we want change you have to be able to sue them for their decisions.
If we want change you have to be able to sue them for their decisions.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:47 pm to Tornado Alley
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You're removing the personal accountability of the criminal from the equation.
Are we?
Because it seems like it’s the judges doing that.
I have no authority to sentence them longer.
If it were up to me Jamal wouldn’t have 17 arrests. He’d been done at 3.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:53 pm to TigerHornII
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If a DA wrongly sends someone to jail AND it is shown that evidence was intentionally withheld or there was other misconduct, disbarment should be on the table.
Criminal charges and jail time should be on the table
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:00 pm to TigerHornII
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For the cherry on top, you can't last in any kind of profitable business for more than a few years without having to defend a frivolous lawsuit.
Only part I disagree with… businesses need the threat of lawsuits… can’t trust the theory the business will fail natural
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:01 pm to dgnx6
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If we want change you have to be able to sue them for their decisions.
So, the answer to too many frivolous suits is more frivolous suits?
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:07 pm to BiggerBear
What makes a frivolous lawsuit? Because it’s happening to you?
Ever heard of a frivolous defense? Legitimate claims get denied constantly for no other reason than to save insurance company $$$
Ever heard of a frivolous defense? Legitimate claims get denied constantly for no other reason than to save insurance company $$$
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:07 pm to TigerHornII
We have a tradition of prosecutorial discretion. There are virtually no checks and balances on that, which is an incredible amount of power.
Whenever I’ve spoken with prosecutors about the lack of checks and balances I’ve consistently heard that nobody would prosecute crimes if they could be held accountable for unforeseen circumstances that end up with bad results. They say that ultimately the prosecutors office would become the PD’s office.
In other words, the only prosecutors would be soft on crime libs.
Whenever I’ve spoken with prosecutors about the lack of checks and balances I’ve consistently heard that nobody would prosecute crimes if they could be held accountable for unforeseen circumstances that end up with bad results. They say that ultimately the prosecutors office would become the PD’s office.
In other words, the only prosecutors would be soft on crime libs.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:09 pm to TigerHornII
As a lawyer, I count on the OT to hold me accountable.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:21 pm to TigerHornII
At some point we need to figure out a way to solve the gap between the resources the state/fed has and the resources the accused has. It's absolutely insane that the government can just beat people into submission using endless funding.
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