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re: what jobs are “AI proof” and why?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:01 am to Dawgfanman
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:01 am to Dawgfanman
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Welder
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Firefighter
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:02 am to Korkstand
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You don't think delivery companies want their trucks moving 24/7 vs. maybe 12/7?
You're right, taking the guy out of the seat is going to change the way the entire industry operates. But it won't be cost prohibitive to do, it will be cost prohibitive to *not* do.
This is also an area where saturation in the market will lead to exponentially better efficiency and results.
AI cars on the road will be fine, as long as human drivers stop fricking up. When it's all AI, imagine the decrease in traffic, accidents, etc. That's why personal injury firms will lobby HARD against legalizing AI-based driving on a mass scale.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:04 am to Dawgfanman
Cops and firemen.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's why personal injury firms will lobby HARD against legalizing AI-based driving on a mass scale.
man what would society do without the personal injury attorneys. Real heroes out here protecting us from the robot scourge.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:15 am to Ross
quote:They are brute-forcing "intelligence", which honestly is enough for a whole lot of jobs. Most of the decisions we make are just our best effort at making the logical choice to achieve a goal based on inputs and criteria. That's what computers are good at. What computers are not good at, or even capable of, is setting the goals. I don't think we want them doing that anyway.
I think this ought to bring up the philosophical point on if these AI systems are capable of true conceptual "understanding" of the subject matter or if they are simply being trained on a superhuman mimicry of sorts.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:19 am to Korkstand
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They are brute-forcing "intelligence", which honestly is enough for a whole lot of jobs. Most of the decisions we make are just our best effort at making the logical choice to achieve a goal based on inputs and criteria. That's what computers are good at. What computers are not good at, or even capable of, is setting the goals. I don't think we want them doing that anyway.
For sure, I think for the vast majority of jobs, simulating intelligence is sufficient. I think the more the job requires innovation, the less apt these programs will be to replace the human.
I think the capacity of a neural network to truly understand concepts and have an innovative thought is a philosophical discussion that will increasingly grow relevant as people start talking about these programs as sentient beings in their own right. That's not super relevant to this discussion though, I just wanted to share the story as I thought it was interesting.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:23 am to Korkstand
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I think you are absolutely wrong.
You don't think delivery companies want their trucks moving 24/7 vs. maybe 12/7?
So more expensive trucks can wear out twice as fast?
The number of hours that a vehicle can really operate are determined by loading and unloading schedules. It doesn't matter if I can be there for a delivery at 2 AM, if I can't get unloaded before 11 AM.
Very few businesses operate loading docks 24/7.
It's a very complicated scenario, and driverless trucks won't automatically change anything.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:24 am to fallguy_1978
quote:I think the people in power know that if they took away jobs in lieu of robots on a mass scale, they would most definitely have a big ol fashioned revolution
If we saw widespread automation of jobs it would cause an economic collapse like the Great Depression. Consumer spending is almost 70% of total GDP.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:26 am to Dawgfanman
TD poster
Robots are logical, hence they cant replace TD's illogical posters....
Robots are logical, hence they cant replace TD's illogical posters....
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:32 am to Cheese Grits
AI is the pot o’ gold companies have been looking for, forever. No sick days, vacation, medical insurance or pay raise hassles. Among countless other cost savers.
At least until the robot wars of the 22nd century.
At least until the robot wars of the 22nd century.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:38 am to Dawgfanman
Everything doesn’t have to be all or nothing. AI replaces some truck drivers, doesn’t have to replace 100%. Same for other jobs.
For the original question, people who deep clean houses.
For the original question, people who deep clean houses.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It absolutely will.
Yea to think otherwise is foolish.
Likely slower than most of the press releases trying to drive funding would indicate
But no doubt dramatic shifts in store for most industries.
That we seem to be on the cusp of various life lengthening medical breakthroughs while simultaneously reducing utility of individuals in the economy could make for quite the run for humanity coming up. Really curious where we are in 2050 for instance.
Looking back 30 years we are talking first home computers and almost no internet… and the next 30 should have huge jumps.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:50 am to Gountiss
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but I don’t see Boomers flocking to robo advisors for financial matters. I think this might be more common with Millennials and Gen Z going forward though
Yea, I mean I don’t think folks in retirement (or on the cusp) suddenly become early adopters of any technology yet alone their financial futures.
That said, I think most younger folks are eager to try to use AI instead of thinking they have to go talk to a judgey old man in a suit during his business hours. More convenience, perception of huge intelligence, and removes friction/hurdles.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:57 am to PikesPeak
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I think the people in power know that if they took away jobs in lieu of robots on a mass scale, they would most definitely have a big ol fashioned revolution
They'd rather spend half their fortune building murder robots to quell the rebellion than give away 10% to a UBI type program.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:12 pm to auggie
quote:Yeah you're forgetting about profits. It doesn't matter if a tool or process costs twice as much or wears out twice as fast if it generates more than twice the profit.
So more expensive trucks can wear out twice as fast?
quote:I guess you don't think that the current schedules are designed around the abilities of human truck drivers? And you don't think the loading and unloading will be more and more automated as well?
The number of hours that a vehicle can really operate are determined by loading and unloading schedules. It doesn't matter if I can be there for a delivery at 2 AM, if I can't get unloaded before 11 AM.
Very few businesses operate loading docks 24/7.
quote:It's going to change a lot more than you think it will. You say drivers don't get paid much but don't driver wages and benefits make up something like 40% of the total per-mile costs of trucking? They are going to be eliminated. And you can laugh at this if you want, but they are going to switch to EVs too and cut energy costs in half or more. Battery swaps are going to remove recharge times as a factor. This might be 20 years out but that's not long in the scheme of things.
It's a very complicated scenario, and driverless trucks won't automatically change anything.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 3:35 pm to Korkstand
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guess you don't think that the current schedules are designed around the abilities of human truck drivers? And you don't think the loading and unloading will be more and more automated as well? It's going to change a lot more than you think it will. You say drivers don't get paid much but don't driver wages and benefits make up something like 40% of the total per-mile costs of trucking? They are going to be eliminated. And you can laugh at this if you want, but they are going to switch to EVs too and cut energy costs in half or more. Battery swaps are going to remove recharge times as a factor. This might be 20 years out but that's not long in the scheme of things.
Yea, if those trucks are loaded algorithmically and moved, unloaded, reloaded etc… it’s essentially expanding the footprint of an already mechanized warehouse.
It’ll be a ways off but as all the systems and machinery start to clear certain hurdles it is bound to happen.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:14 pm to White Bear
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Jobs illegals would do
You have obviously never seen the big arms that grab the orange/apple/almond trees and shake the shite out of them them vacuum them up with the big hose.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:24 pm to Korkstand
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I guess you don't think that the current schedules are designed around the abilities of human truck drivers? And you don't think the loading and unloading will be more and more automated as well?
No, the current pickup and delivery schedules are determined between the shipper and his customer. The company that owns the truck and employs the driver, is merely a contractor.
The shipper generally wants to ship as soon as possible, but his customer wants to receive the product, according to his schedule and available space. This is generally handled through a broker, who then finds a carrier who can accept the load and has/can have a driver and truck in the right location at the right time.
It's much more complicated than loading up the truck and going to deliver it.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:54 pm to Korkstand
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I guess you don't think that the current schedules are designed around the abilities of human truck drivers? And you don't think the loading and unloading will be more and more automated as well?
I have a buddy who is a car hauler, outbound loads are always corvettes. I don't know if you've ever spent time around a car hauler trailer or see how wide a vette is, or some suv... but it's gonna be a while before they unloading loads via ai/robots, unless you have 1 in each vehicle in your racks. Sounds cost prohibitive to tote around 11, and where do you even store them... because you're making multiple drops at several dealerships.
Ultimately my pick is anything near saltwater. 316 or better stainless ain't cheap.
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