re: What is the balance between preserving Confederate history and progressing forward?

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invading side,

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we weren't invaders, we went there to advise and teach them how to defend themselves, unfortunately the people that sent us to do that didn't realize that they wanted no part of it, there is no need to disrespect the memory of those that gave their lives, and those that didn't die but have physical and emotional scars for life as a result of answering the call from their country because of revisionist history perspective, hippie

I feel that's the point you're making though

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You don't think that maybe they were erected on the 25th, 50th, 75th, and 100th anniversaries of specific battles to honor the people who died rather than specifically targeted to scare a group of people?

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In 1891, as the Democratic-controlled legislature passed laws that disenfranchised most black Americans, the government of the City of New Orleans erected the Liberty Monument to "commemorate the uprising" of 1874, in the city. The monument was prominently placed in the neutral ground (median) near the foot of Canal Street. In 1932, inscriptions were added to the monument which attested to the battle's role in establishing white supremacy

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"McEnery and Penn having been elected governor and lieutenant-governor by the white people, were duly installed by this overthrow of carpetbag government, ousting the usurpers, Governor Kellogg (white) and Lieutenant-Governor Antoine (colored).

United States troops took over the state government and reinstated the usurpers but the national election of November 1876 recognized white supremacy in the South and gave us our state."

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ETA: I definitely misremembered the details, but there is nothing to be proud of regarding the Liberty Monument.

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we weren't invaders, we went there to advise and teach them how to defend themselves, unfortunately the people that sent us to do that didn't realize that they wanted no part of it, there is no need to disrespect the memory of those that gave their lives, and those that didn't die but have physical and emotional scars for life as a result of answering the call from their country because of revisionist history perspective, hippie I feel that's the point you're making though

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I mean no disrespect to vets, I have nothing but respect for those who served this country in the armed forces. I'm a veteran myself. My point is simply that how a memorial is viewed can be dependent on the perspective of who is viewing it. And dirty hippies are mostly terrible people.

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dirty hippies

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damned dirty hippies!!

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It seems as if you want to preserve the historical landmarks of much of the South, you are seen as a racist who longs for times of white supremacy.

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The word "racist" has no meaning anymore to normal people. It has been so over-used and misused that it has become like the "little boy who cried wolf" story. You can thank all the idiotic liberals for that accomplishment.

This is America. We need to preserve ALL historical landmarks - especially those in the South.

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ETA: I definitely misremembered the details, but there is nothing to be proud of regarding the Liberty Monument.

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Liberty Place is not a Confederate Memorial. The Battle of Liberty Place was an armed insurrection against the Reconstruction-era government when a tightly contested election for governor in 1874 was mired in allegations of voter fraud. Because confederate veterans couldn't vote, many formed The White League and attempted to overthrow the government, which was located at Liberty Place. After several days, the NOPD managed to retake the building and the White League was defeated. However, the bloody battle was enough to convince the federal government to pull its occupation force out of the South and end reconstruction. The election following the end of Reconstruction, the White League-backed democratic candidates won, the right to vote was restored to confederate veterans and taken away from blacks, and the monument was erected to commemorate the lives of the dead members of the White League.

Several Years ago, the monument was modified to instead memorialize the NOPD officers who died fighting the White League.

So, yeah, the Battle of Liberty Place is a monument to racism, but that's the exception, not the rule. It is not a Civil War monument, but instead, something else entirely. It belongs in a museum to teach people about that hugely interesting and terrible story that most people, even in New Orleans, have never heard of. I mean, the street cars were used as battlements and sewer grates as shields. There should be a movie about it.

I think it depends on what that history represented for that nation/those people involved (ancestry)/and the views in moving past something that held a negative or "not right" view point in todays standards.

Monuments and status imo would work great in museums and such places. Not too sure about up and around a city or state. In a way, it would be equivalent to Germany having a bunch of WWII monuments depicting Hitler or the SS throughout the nation. In some peoples eyes, its a mark of history whereas to others its a mark of shame/hurt/or anger.

Think leaving things in a museum that show the course of history would be best for all parties.

I’m completely on the outside looking in as a Brit

But in Hungary, Budapest, they have a park about an hour outside the city that is where they moved all of the old Soviet era propaganda statues etc. It’s a really cool place to visit, is a nod to their history but not in your face if you don’t want to see it

Could something like that be an option?

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Civilizations should always preserve, celebrate, and study their history no matter how good or bad. Because if you dont know the mistakes of the past you are bound to repeat them.

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The New Orleans should but a white flag in lee circle

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How about we leave works of art, some over a century old, alone, and tell those who are butthurt to get fricked?


The romans and Aztecs genocided peoples, had slaves, scarificed people, etc.

Should we destroy the coliseum and the Aztec pyramids?

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This x1000.

It's art, it's the past. Keep it, remember it, take care of it as part of our history. Don't praise it.

The pyramids are massive monuments to slavery-enabled monarchies, yet people who tear statues down probably go and instagram in front of pyramids. It's absolutely ludicrous.