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re: What is the balance between preserving Confederate history and progressing forward?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:34 pm to TDsngumbo
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:34 pm to TDsngumbo
Nice projection. Said like someone who wants to celebrate the history of slavery and those who fought to defend the institution of slavery. And yeah, sure, the civil war was really about "state's rights." State's rights to own slaves. The entire idea that this is about protecting history is a not so clever attempt to disguise yearning for white supremacy. Even the insults thrown about in these arguments are at best a slight nudge away from blatant racism if not clear hatred.
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:34 pm to slackster
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True. My main point is that to the victors go the spoils. That's history 101.
That's true. I highly doubt the Germans could have been trusted to fully disclose some of the things their military carried out under Hitler....
I found it interesting that to this day there are still monuments scattered throughout Germany that honor their WW2 dead. Some in the larger cities have been removed, but many survive in the smaller towns. Strange considering what took place under that regime- and the fact that they truly were occupied by standing armies for quite some time, after the war ended...In a way, they are symbols of how lenient the West was with their former enemies.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:34 pm to el Gaucho
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The only progressing forward we should be talking about is rising again
hell yeah, brother,
amirite
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:35 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Should we tear down all remembrances of events that people find uncomfortable? World War monuments? Holocaust memorials? I'm sure the Vietnam wall is discomforting for some who were on the receiving end of that particular police action. I think if you are "triggered" by an inanimate object the problem lies with you and not the marble or bronze that make up the exhibit.
All of those memorials tend to honor the victors or the victims of the losers.
A memorial in Yorktown that honors the dead British soldiers of the American Revolutionary War would be closer in spirit to many Civil War monuments.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:37 pm to slackster
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A memorial in Yorktown that honors the dead British soldiers of the American Revolutionary War would be closer in spirit to many Civil War monuments.
except in that one, the rebels won, there is a statue of George Washington in a British uniform in Waterford, PA, btw
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:39 pm to lsufanva
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What about Germany, France, Italy, Japan? How many of us would like all of those countries and their ancestors to not be recognized because they lost?
Link to any monuments on US soil that honor the Japanese soldiers in WWII?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:40 pm to Harry Caray
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Monuments specifically built in the name of white supremacy some 50ish years after the war?
Yeah, it had to be supremacy and not 50 year anniversaries. Good job professor.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:40 pm to Harry Caray
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Monuments specifically built in the name of white supremacy some 50ish years after the war?
You don't think that maybe they were erected on the 25th, 50th, 75th, and 100th anniversaries of specific battles to honor the people who died rather than specifically targeted to scare a group of people?
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:42 pm to Peazey
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Said like someone who wants to celebrate the history of slavery and those who fought to defend the institution of slavery. And yeah, sure, the civil war was really about "state's rights." State's rights to own slaves. The entire idea that this is about protecting history is a not so clever attempt to disguise yearning for white supremacy. Even the insults thrown about in these arguments are at best a slight nudge away from blatant racism if not clear hatred.
I wonder how people like you could debate if you weren’t allowed to use your magic ‘racism’ card
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:45 pm to lsufanva
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ironic part
More irony: The people alive at the the time who actually fought against the Confederates were less offended by the monuments than today’s social justice warriors
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:48 pm to 777Tiger
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can't believe this has gone so long without a push to get rid of it
It hasn't. Some woman ran for state Senate or something and that was one of her major platforms. Blowing up the face of the mountain lol.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:50 pm to weagle99
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More irony: The people alive at the the time who actually fought against the Confederates were less offended by the monuments than today’s social justice warriors
I'll say this, IMO there are few things more disrespectful than being offended on behalf of someone who isn't offended. That shite has always irked me.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:51 pm to CarRamrod
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Civilizations should always preserve, celebrate, and study their history no matter how good or bad. Because if you dont know the mistakes of the past you are bound to repeat them.
Not when it's racist or wrong. You need to Mr clean eraser that shite.
This is for the better. Just cause you racist "south'll rise again" baws can't see it doesn't mean it's not progress.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:54 pm to IAmNERD
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. Some woman ran for state Senate or something and that was one of her major platforms.
hope they can fight that off, this country has gone insane
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:58 pm to TH03
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Not when it's racist
How far down that rabbit hole do you want to go? Because almost every historical white American figure is ‘racist’ by today’s standards.
Lincoln made some statements that would cause mental shutdown for today’s PC true believers
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 4:01 pm to slackster
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All of those memorials tend to honor the victors or the victims of the losers. A memorial in Yorktown that honors the dead British soldiers of the American Revolutionary War would be closer in spirit to many Civil War monuments.
The Vietnam memorial is very much like a Confederate monument. It honors those that died in a war that shouldn't have been fought. A war the U.S. started and lost. If a group of Vietnamese people wanted to tear it down because it honors the wrong side, the invading side, should it come down?
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 4:02 pm to Korin
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Or you can just leave them alone and recognize that they were built a long time ago in a different time.
I truly wish most people would have this attitude. Reminders of history, good and bad, should have their place IMO. Removing statues and monuments people don't like might hide history, but it doesn't erase it.
To paraphrase Lincoln, use them to learn wisdom from and none of them as wrongs to be avenged.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 4:05 pm to Harry Caray
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Monuments specifically built in the name of white supremacy some 50ish years after the war? Not so good.
I don't disagree, but why did we wait 100 years to tear them down? Will tearing them down do anything whatsoever to improve race relations in America? If anything, it escalates tensions.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 4:07 pm to CarRamrod
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Civilizations should always preserve, celebrate, and study their history no matter how good or bad.
isn't that what books do?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 4:07 pm to BulldogXero
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but why did we wait 100 years to tear them down
True answer? Because some minorities and self loathing whites want to exert their power over a largely passive white populace.
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