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re: What do you people have against solar farms?

Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by SWLA92
SWLA
Member since Feb 2015
5056 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:19 pm to
Well where we're talking about had 2 hurricanes in a 2 month period, one being a 150 mph I would love to see the cat 4 rating hold up for Hurricane Laura.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:23 pm to
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I would love to see the cat 4 rating hold up for Hurricane Laura.

My buddy has a ground mount residential system thats 30kW and the eye of Laura passed over his house. No damage and he ran off his solar and batteries for a month waiting for the power to get restored.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:27 pm to
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They belong on top of homes, commercial buildings, and parking decks.

I agree and generally dislike utility scale solar. I've personally rejected multiple projects on our ranch because i didn't like where they wanted to put them and it would be an eye sore. But i also acknowledge that without utility scale, residential, commercial and industrial solar would suffer from higher costs and a lack of advancement in module, inverter and storage technology.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26957 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:29 pm to
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You think the community of Gillis will benefit from a solar farm? ETA the already wealthy land owners will benefit from leasing their land and none of the power generated will supply local power. It would generate a handful of local jobs because solar farms don’t require upkeep.

I’m not sure how this justifies their opposition. Why does someone’s use of their own property have to benefit the community? It would be one thing if the use hurt the community, but unclear how that would be the case here.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2023
2957 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:50 pm to
The most offensive thing to me is the insanely inefficient use of capital.

Solar is good for your house, but to think it's a viable option at scale is ridiculous.

Then there's the waste of land. You can generate many times worth of power with a small footprint natural gas combined cycle unit as you can with hundreds or acres of solar.
This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 1:51 pm
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
22268 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:11 pm to
unfortunately.........it is.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:30 pm to
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The most offensive thing to me is the insanely inefficient use of capital.

How so? utility scale solar is incredibly cheap to install, O&M and has very predictable cash flows.
This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2023
2957 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:09 pm to
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has very predictable cash flows


Predictable inefficiency as well. Solar systems are notorious for severely underperforming the rated kw/mw output, and cloudy make them only as reliable as the meteorologist.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:41 pm to
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Predictable inefficiency as well.

The module and inverter efficiency is baked into the simulation that goes into the financial model.
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Solar systems are notorious for severely underperforming

No they aren't. They perform in the 99-101% performance index range. Most of them are hitting P99 ratios.
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cloudy make them only as reliable as the meteorologist.

Thats why there are massive typical meteorological data sets that are used to simulate the system over the useful life. These systems require independent engineers reports to get funded. They provide a production simulation that uses irradiance measured on-site over an extended period and then augment with historical data.

Anyone who thinks they just take the Wp rating and figure it's all good is wrong.
This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted by Saunson69
Stephen the Pirate
Member since May 2023
8230 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:46 pm to
Why do you think it won't go to supply local power? Where else would the power go?
Posted by Saunson69
Stephen the Pirate
Member since May 2023
8230 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:48 pm to
Timber is cheaper today than 2004. All the assets in Louisiana stay the same price for decades, nat gas, oil periodically stays same as early 2000s
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
40882 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:50 pm to
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Why do you think it won't go to supply local power? Where else would the power go?


Sat in meetings for the one south of LC. The company admitted that none of the power generated would be used In Louisiana. Most is sent out west. OP stated in this thread that his property is close to a main east west line. This is most likely why they are interested in that location.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:50 pm to
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Why do you think it won't go to supply local power? Where else would the power go?

This is a funny topic.

You can't really control where the electrons go unless you build the lines to directly supply it where they want to, which is insane. No ones doing that.

But financially, it can have an impact because the local community won't realize cheaper rates from the solar if Amazon bought it and it's part of a PPA agreement for them 2 states over.
Posted by Pauldingtiger
Alabama
Member since Jan 2019
987 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:01 pm to
Have you ever seen what happens to a solar farm after a hail storm. Money wasted!
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6665 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:07 pm to
They destroy the natural habitat far more than any other source of energy compared to the output you receive.

Washington Parish destroyed thousands of acres for a pittance of energy. Land that deer, rabbits, birds, snakes etc. utilized, not to mention the destruction to the ground and insects due to the amount of weed killer and insecticide they have to spray regularly.

The fake environmentalist will scream about fracking but ignore this destruction, and when these are no longer useful they get buried in a landfill. And then there is the heating of the air. A solar farm might as well be a parking lot.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:08 pm to
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Have you ever seen what happens to a solar farm after a hail storm. Money wasted!

Everyones requiring UL61730 certified modules in hail zones now. That test requires it to be visually undamaged and lose less than 5% of power from 11 ice-ball strikes at 51 mph of 25 mm diameter (1") hail. If something does happen, you file an insurance claim and fix it just like anything else.

Most of the pictures you see are older modules, or really bad storms. Newer ones are pretty hail resistant.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8665 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 7:32 pm to
Washington Parish's solar farm could change the energy landscape in Louisiana

Seven solar farms in the state are now sending electricity to Entergy customers in New Orleans and across Louisiana.
Author: Paul Murphy / WWL Louisiana
Published: 6:19 PM CDT May 2, 2023
Updated: 6:19 PM CDT May 2, 2023
WASHINGTON PARISH, La. — Washington Parish is one of the most scenic rural areas in Louisiana.
From its piney woods to its rolling hills, the so-called toe in the boot of the state is as country as you can get in a region better known for its bayous and Mardi Gras.
Solar panels now rise from pastureland where cows and horses once roamed.

It destroys land to send power to Entergy customers south of the lake. So no, it doesn’t go to local customers. Our local co-op WST that covers most of Washington Parish, plus large areas of St. Tammany and Tangipahoa Parishes seems to be miles ahead of Entergy and Entergy of New Orleans when it comes to reliability. These companies offer money to people that’s hard to turn down, while destroying land to send power to people that live in cities that claim to care about saving the planet, but that’s not really the case for a lot of those hypocrites.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:07 pm to
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What do you people have against solar farms?
I sunburn easy
Posted by Lou
Modesto, CA
Member since Aug 2005
8791 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:48 pm to
I didn’t watch the whole video but I remember that project. It was always a stupid arse idea.
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