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re: What do you people have against solar farms?

Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:03 pm to
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:03 pm to
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I bet a lot of people don't like others telling them what to do with their personal land/property but have no problem telling these land owners what to do with theirs


Multiple people have said in this thread already that they are fine with people and businesses doing whatever they want so long as it's their money being used. But the fact that billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars are being thrown at these boondoggles does give us the right to have an opinion.

Or did you just ignore those posts to come in with your edgy take?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:08 pm to
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But the fact that billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars

99/100 solar farms just get a tax rebate for the asset owner, who's almost always a JV owned by a bank. There's no direct pay subsidy for solar. There are a select few that get grants, and some get DOE backed loans, but its rare.
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:09 pm to
anything associated with Liberal's Green New Deal
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:09 pm to
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I’d like to see how solar panels would hold up in a cat 4 hurricane.

Most of them are cat 4 rated. In areas that are hurricane prone a lot of time they use high load modules and 180mph rated racking.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:11 pm to
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Nuclear power is the answer.

You don't think these same Karens would show up for a nuke reactor going near their house? If you want to see a glorious melt, find a community thats looking at adding a nuclear plant and watch the fireworks. NIMBYs are the biggest reason nuclear facilities can't be built now. Even after the increased subsidies from the IRA, it's still and uphill battle.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27313 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:29 pm to
Have you seen one? Are you aware of the thousands of birds and animals that will lose their habitat?
Posted by TchoupitoulasTiger
NOLA
Member since May 2011
1328 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:34 pm to
There’s a lot of conversation on this board about people’s homeowners insurance rates becoming astronomically high.

Now go look at the insurance costs on a solar farm… it’s damn near the point of being cost prohibitive if it’s not there already. It’s one thing to assess risk of a hurricane, but it’s darn near impossible to assess risk of a hail. One random, pop up strong thunderstorm that produces hail and the whole farm is toast.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
6039 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:35 pm to
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solar farms


The sun sucks! Solar's for queers!
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:39 pm to
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Now go look at the insurance costs on a solar farm… it’s damn near the point of being cost prohibitive if it’s not there already.

It's crazy high. I only deal with residential, and we don't have the concentrated risk of loss that utility scale has and we still pay a fortune even with only using UL61730 panels.
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:40 pm to
Just too see cucks like you cry
Posted by b_w
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:44 pm to
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Multiple people have said in this thread already that they are fine with people and businesses doing whatever they want so long as it's their money being used. But the fact that billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars are being thrown at these boondoggles does give us the right to have an opinion.

Or did you just ignore those posts to come in with your edgy take?


I don't speak in absolutes. I said "lots" as that is the general sentiment I picked up reading the thread and just pointing out the hypocrisy

Didn't know personal property rights were considered "edgy"

And bruh subsidies are not just straight taxpayer cash they are mainly tax credits the same way fossil fuels are subsidize. No development = no tax $ any how.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:47 pm to
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99/100 solar farms just get a tax rebate for the asset owner, who's almost always a JV owned by a bank. There's no direct pay subsidy for solar. There are a select few that get grants, and some get DOE backed loans, but it's rare.


Try and explain it however you want. This boondoggle is being forced upon, and funded by, the US taxpayer.

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The 60 selections under the $7 billion Solar for All program will provide funds to states, territories, Tribal governments, municipalities, and nonprofits across the country to develop long-lasting solar programs that enable low-income and disadvantaged communities to deploy and benefit from distributed residential solar, lowering energy costs for families, creating good-quality jobs in communities that have been left behind, advancing environmental justice and tackling climate change.


I'll say it again, people hate it because it's too easy an answer. If the govt truly wanted energy independence and energy for all, they'd be pushing nuclear down our throats the same way they're pushing wind and solar.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 8:49 pm
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18076 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:53 pm to
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Try and explain it however you want. This boondoggle is being forced upon, and funded by, the US taxpayer.


I don't have to explain it because i know how it works.
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$7 billion Solar for All program

Not an only direct grant program and capped at $350MM per year if i remember correctly with the majority of that being loans.
So basically what i said
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There are a select few that get grants, and some get DOE backed loans, but it's rare.

ETA to expand on this, whenever the DOE does give out any grant money directly, they own the asset and pay for the servicing. They recoup the money in the same way a developer would. They usually go in as minority investors with a bank in a JV. They collect money from the PPA. Also in the incredibly rare event that the DOE owned 50.1%, they would be precluded from the ITC because they don't pay taxes. Which is why they get a private bank to co-invest.
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I'll say it again, people hate it because it's too easy an answer. If the govt truly wanted energy independence and energy for all, they'd be pushing nuclear down our throats the same way they're pushing wind and solar.

How much do you know about the nuclear PTC vs wind/solar PTC & ITC?
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 9:00 pm
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
9922 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:20 pm to
If anyone wants to see one of these in action, here is a link to the fairly newly completed Elisabeth Solar Farm-

https://maps.app.goo.gl/rBXYoqDE2bU9yH5S9

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63416 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:24 pm to
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What do you people have against solar farms?
We already have enough sunshine. Why are we trying to grow more?
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
40881 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:26 pm to
Gee, I can’t imagine why anyone wouldn’t want that adjacent to their land.
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
9922 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:29 pm to
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Gee, I can’t imagine why anyone wouldn’t want that adjacent to their land.



I mean it is just sitting there. My neighbor has used our property line as a dumping ground for all of the used parts that he doesn't use for car flips. I wouldn't mind some panels at all.
Posted by SWLA92
SWLA
Member since Feb 2015
5054 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:59 pm to
I wonder how close the wildfires got to them last year?
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
10215 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 12:35 am to
NIMBY'S. These people will go along with any agenda as long as it is Not In My Back Yard. They wouldn't give a shite if it was somewhere else as long as they don't have the solar farm next to thier property.
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
2153 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 6:34 am to
So many environmental and animal conservationist on here.
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