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re: Was this a justifiable shooting??? nsfw
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:06 am to HogBalls
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:06 am to HogBalls
Armed robbery of a bank less than 60 days ago. Out on the street.
I say this one ended extremely well.
Another 60 days on the street and there 100% be more victims of this dudes crime sprees.
All of Hamburg thanks these officers.
I say this one ended extremely well.
Another 60 days on the street and there 100% be more victims of this dudes crime sprees.
All of Hamburg thanks these officers.
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Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:06 am to whit
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I don’t like how cops can corner someone and then when that person tries to drive out of the corner, they automatically get killed for it. Those cops obviously were able to move out of the way of the truck. We jump from wanting to protect police officers to giving them blanket approval to kill people in response to a certain type of action, even if the specific action wasn’t life threatening to the officers. I’m not blaming these cops, I’m saying the protocol seems wrong. ETA: I expect all the downvotes but can someone respond in a logical manner without begging the question? I’ll be pleasantly surprised if anyone does.
He was caught in the middle of Grand Theft, was told to stop and get out. Then he attempted to drive off. What did you expect to police to do?
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:10 am to uway
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I don’t like how cops can corner someone and then when that person tries to drive out of the corner, they automatically get killed for it.
Those cops obviously were able to move out of the way of the truck.
We jump from wanting to protect police officers to giving them blanket approval to kill people in response to a certain type of action, even if the specific action wasn’t life threatening to the officers.
I don't entirely disagree, although this isn't one of the more egregious ones I've seen.
The real problem is when some arguably non-violent criminal/suspect gets cornered and the police make the choice that they'll kill him rather than risk him getting away. I think that's my fundamental issue. Usually it's a mistake (they think he's capable of doing them harm), but it's still problematic IMO.
And before anyone gets all worked up, I agree you can just follow directions and live (most of the time). There have certainly been a few exceptions to that, however.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:10 am to uway
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I don’t like how cops can corner someone and then when that person tries to drive out of the corner, they automatically get killed for it.
Those cops obviously were able to move out of the way of the truck.
What is the alternative?
Don't shoot and criminals know they can easily get away with their crimes?
Engage in a chase that could endanger the lives and property of innocent civilians?
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:14 am to HogBalls
WHY didn’t THEY SHOOT THE TIRES AND HIS LEGS AND USE RUBBER BULLETS!!
This is why we kneel. This is why Betsy Ross Nike’s are racist.
This is why we kneel. This is why Betsy Ross Nike’s are racist.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:16 am to Rize
That's got to be photo shopped.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:16 am to CrimsonTideMD
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What is the alternative?
Don't shoot and criminals know they can easily get away with their crimes?
That can’t be the justification. If it was, they’d be justified in killing anyone who was running away from them. Basically, all attempts to escape would be capital crimes, under the reasoning you gave.
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Engage in a chase that could endanger the lives and property of innocent civilians?
That should depend on the situation and a balance of risk calculation. If it’s a murderer on a rampage, you’d have to give chase. If it’s a stolen car, it would depend.
I can hear the objections, saying that we can’t expect cops to make those difficult judgement calls, but what’s the alternative?
It seems that the alternative has become “when in doubt, pew pew pew”.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:16 am to biglego
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WHY didn’t THEY SHOOT THE TIRES AND HIS LEGS AND USE RUBBER BULLETS!!
This is why we kneel. This is why Betsy Ross Nike’s are racist.
I hope this is sarcasm or a troll. Otherwise move to a different country if you don't like our flag you fricking pansy.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:18 am to kciDAtaE
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quote:
black guy
What does his race have to do with if it was justified or not?
Because in this day and age, there is absolutely positively no justification for killing a black man while he's committing a crime.
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 9:24 am
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:37 am to HogBalls
looks like a nice truck to slap some nuts on. Think I can get it for about 3-fiddy now?
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:38 am to HogBalls
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gets gunned down stealing a vehicle in Little Rock a month later
Based on this piece of information... Yes, but I will have to read more of it.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:50 am to uway
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I expect all the downvotes but can someone respond in a logical manner without begging the question? I’ll be pleasantly surprised if anyone does.
Do you want that person to continue driving and then kill someone?
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:58 am to fightin tigers
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Savage reportedly drove toward the officers in a pickup truck and they opened fire.
Drove in the general direction of is more like it, but if I had the possibility of being hit by a truck I would shoot too.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 10:02 am to HogBalls
I know the guy was a wanted criminal, so that makes me not feel sorry for him. But technically the lives of the police weren't in danger, from what I could see. The perp was trying to drive away from them, not into them. They basically shot him to avoid the hassles of getting into a big car chase.
My question is would this still be viewed aa justified if the guy didn't have his criminal history
My question is would this still be viewed aa justified if the guy didn't have his criminal history
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:09 am to QJenk
so are the cops supposed to assume the guy is unarmed and simply taking the truck to the carwash and returning it after?
Or is there more likely a chance that the perp was armed and would be willing to go to great lengths to avoid going back to jail at the expense other innocent lives?
its tough to digest because of how quickly the cops reacted and ended the situation. I don't think the cops deserve an attaboy but I cant really see how they were unjustified either.
Or is there more likely a chance that the perp was armed and would be willing to go to great lengths to avoid going back to jail at the expense other innocent lives?
its tough to digest because of how quickly the cops reacted and ended the situation. I don't think the cops deserve an attaboy but I cant really see how they were unjustified either.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:14 am to HogBalls
Tramon did not give a single f. It's like he was trying to get locked up or dead.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:18 am to Pettifogger
So armed robbery is non-violent? When did this happen? How in hell did you determine that the deceased is a "non-violent criminal/suspect"?
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:20 am to HogBalls
Love it - chalk one up for the good guys.
"Failure to comply"
"Failure to comply"
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:27 am to uway
quote:
I don’t like how cops can corner someone and then when that person tries to drive out of the corner, they automatically get killed for it.
Those cops obviously were able to move out of the way of the truck.
We jump from wanting to protect police officers to giving them blanket approval to kill people in response to a certain type of action, even if the specific action wasn’t life threatening to the officers.
I’m not blaming these cops, I’m saying the protocol seems wrong.
ETA: I expect all the downvotes but can someone respond in a logical manner without begging the question? I’ll be pleasantly surprised if anyone does.
First of all, it is easy to sit behind a keyboard and make assumptions, everyone can but until you have been in a situation where someone is attempting to harm you and everything is going 100MPH in your head, heart, etc people like you can make the assumptions. I am not PD but work with Federal, State, Local, etc and the main mission is to go home at the end of your shift.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:35 am to HogBalls
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You serious Clark?
Yes. You are seriously asking if a shooting is justified based off of someone’s race?
Are you suggesting that this shooting is justified bc he is black but if he were white or Asian, it would not be justified?
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