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re: Voters rejected a 1-cent sales tax in 2023 to give Livingston Parish teachers a raise

Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:38 pm to
Posted by randybobandy
NOLA
Member since Mar 2015
2129 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:38 pm to
Why should I pay more taxes to give teachers a raise when I spent a ton of $$$ to keep my children out of sh!tty public schools? Maybe tax the people sending their kids to the crappy schools.
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
5695 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:48 pm to
On a per pupil basis, Louisiana ranks 25th in K-12 funding and 30th in spending, yet is ranked 49th in average teacher pay. What does this tell you?

Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25485 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:48 pm to
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What is a viable path for teachers to get a raise? Louisiana public school teachers rank 48th nationally in pay.


Give St George a school district and maybe I'd sympathize and have some skin in the game. But otherwise - if you're holding up EBR schools as a standard for teacher payraises, no thanks. My kids are all in private schools because they have to be. So what am I getting for my tax money? They can be 50th for all I care.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42309 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

ETA: Fire about 40% of administration employees and give that money back to the teachers.


Now we are getting somewhere.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16189 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:59 pm to
A first year teacher in Katy ISD (Houston burb) starts at $66,100 with zero years of experience. After five years, $71k with a 5k annual retention bonus.

Stop thinking Louisiana is ever going to change.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173800 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:02 pm to
quote:


What is a viable path for teachers to get a raise? Louisiana public school teachers rank 48th nationally in pay.

Good luck convincing anyone in Louisiana to pay any more taxes
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
4275 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:02 pm to
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Let's put all this to bed with a simple question: If being a school teacher is an easy, overpaid job with no performance standards where you're constantly on paid vacation... why can't districts find enough people willing to do the job?


Edit: thank you teachers for educating me with the plethora of comments and not just empty downvotes

Two quick answers:
1. As you see in this thread, there are constantly teacher apologists who act like it's an incredibly hard job, underpaid etc. because they've been told that & never did their own research. Many of these people never consider a teaching career at all.

2. "Overpaid" is a relative term - it's overpaid when you consider the poor & regularly declining results produced, as well as both the internet & recorded video making learning so much more accessible. We simply don't have the same demand, compared to a few decades ago, for teachers to manually give a lecture & grade papers. As time goes on, public schools' value has become more of a daycare for working parents than a place to actually learn.

Also, in addition to the PTOs, there's generous pension & health benefits, widespread teacher's discounts, and the soft networking benefit from interacting with hundreds of kids & their parents. Schools are a HUGE community hub & teachers can meet just about anyone, something rarely mentioned in these debates.

It's not overpaid in the sense of being able to have a house, family etc. - you will have a hard time doing that on a teacher's salary alone. I think this is a big reason that there are so few male teachers - men have a lot more pressure to earn the big bucks
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 7:44 pm
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3917 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:03 pm to
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What does this tell you?


That the majority of Louisiana parents treat school as daycare and don't care about education beyond their kids hopping on a bus and going away for a few hours.

I think the educators in my life would possibly agree to even take a pay cut if they received the ability to remove bad behavior from their classrooms.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98955 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:06 pm to
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How is that measured? Standardized test scores? Graded observations? Parental and student feedback?


I don’t work in education but we’ve managed to figure it out for every other career out there
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98955 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:07 pm to
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Only way I would accept a job as a teacher if my pay was tied to student performance


I didn’t say student performance
Posted by andwesway
Zachary, LA
Member since Jun 2016
3404 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:09 pm to
Move to another state?
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20635 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

What is a viable path for teachers to get a raise? Louisiana public school teachers rank 48th nationally in pay.


The government has enough tax money to do this without pushing the burden to property owners or increasing sales tax. They just don’t want to make cuts to free up the money.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
23796 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

I think the educators in my life would possibly agree to even take a pay cut if they received the ability to remove bad behavior from their classrooms.


Public schools have gone to absolute shite in terms of discipline. My teachers and my parents would have beat my arse if I acted up and was as disrespectful as what I hear about modern students in school.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
27860 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

Find the money elsewhere


That's what Louisiana just tried to do, and it still failed. They tried to redirect money already collected to give teachers a permanent pay raise.

IMO, the legislature should have been able to redirect those funds without a public vote. The failed Amendment did not increase any taxes.

Louisiana desperately needs a constitutional convention.

Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60938 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:24 pm to
In Louisiana?

Easy. Stop entitlement fraud.

Take some of that money and give teachers raises. Take the rest and give it back to people who paid income taxes.

The better long-term answer will be to rewrite the entire Louisiana constitution
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 3:26 pm
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3917 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:27 pm to
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I didn’t say student performance




Then what performance would you be basing pay off of? How good they look?
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
23796 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

The government has enough tax money to do this without pushing the burden to property owners or increasing sales tax. They just don’t want to make cuts to free up the money.


Well, these are also the same pricks that want to "punish students" by forcing them to repay TOPS money if they fail or drop out. All that will do is punish parents. How about we just raise the godamn requirements back to where they first started at instead?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42309 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:29 pm to
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IMO, the legislature should have been able to redirect those funds without a public vote. The failed Amendment did not increase any taxes. Louisiana desperately needs a constitutional convention.


Agreed. We have too many amendments anyway.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104059 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:31 pm to
If that's all it takes to give teachers a raise, it shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out how to adjust the budget accordingly with the money they already bring in.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42309 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:33 pm to
Legislatures need to do their fricking jobs and quit passing the buck to constitutional amendments
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