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Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:02 pm to tarzana
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Just answer this question: is the capital of Vietnam today known as Lyndon Baines Johnson City?
It was never going to be called that, no matter who won. That's really a stupid question.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:03 pm to Kafka
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Giap & other NV generals were flabbergasted to see the US Media portray it as a success
I wonder if they drank a toast to Walter.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:05 pm to Penrod
Your view isn't the commonly held one but there is an argument for it. Theres an argument for just about any interpretation of history.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:06 pm to SpotCheckBilly
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I do wonder if we could have avoided the whole thing by not backing the French when they tried to restore their colony.
This was our mistake - shouldn’t have let them go back after WWII
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:09 pm to SpotCheckBilly
quote:"We lost Walter. It's over." - LBJ after seeing Walter Cronkite's editorial on Tetquote:I wonder if they drank a toast to Walter.
Giap & other NV generals were flabbergasted to see the US Media portray it as a success
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:10 pm to SpotCheckBilly
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South Vietnam fell to communism
That lasted less than 10 years
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:10 pm to TutHillTiger
LBJ’s money maker. A Ukraine in the sixties
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:12 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:Huge mistake. Not even remotely necessary.
Vietnam War: Mistake or not
A must read.
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Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:15 pm to TutHillTiger
Huge mistake because D.C.was too concerned about the optics and hamstrung the military.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:22 pm to fr33manator
I think this is one topic I can speak to you younger folks about from experience.
In theory only, a noble cause.
In practice, one the greatest blunders we’ve made in my lifetime.
I lost friends. Our country treated veterans like shite.
In theory only, a noble cause.
In practice, one the greatest blunders we’ve made in my lifetime.
I lost friends. Our country treated veterans like shite.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:23 pm to BeachDude022
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And frick Ali for running away from it when my uncle was forced to go and was killed at 19 years old.
Maybe your uncle should have ran too?
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:29 pm to FreeState
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I lost friends. Our country treated veterans like shite.
The way this country treated Vietnam vets was shameful.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:29 pm to FreeState
came back with nothing really gained except embarrassment and defeat while in the process losing nearly 60k americans, dividing the country, making false promises to the south vietnamese and then abandoning them, bombing cambodia to shreds that fostered the rise of Khmer Rouge (who killed a 1/3rd of their people) .... and spent billions doing it.
Not to mention the cruelty of agent orange on the people of the Vietnamese countryside.
what a horribly sad and savage period.
Not to mention the cruelty of agent orange on the people of the Vietnamese countryside.
what a horribly sad and savage period.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:33 pm to Sam Quint
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but this HCM was basically a saint bullshite is some western media propaganda of the highest order. There's a reason the refugees all moved south and were cramming on helicopters and boats in '75 and it wasn't bc HCM was the second coming of Ghandi.
I avoid shite from the likes of Oliver Stone. What I was watching suggested that he reached out later in the conflict when both sides were suffering great losses.
He was no Saint but he seemed open to compromise later in the conflict is all I took from the Youtube Documentary I watched.
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Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:34 pm to BamaCoaster
quote:you're as shitty as your grammarquote:Maybe your uncle should have ran too?
my uncle was forced to go and was killed at 19 years old
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:41 pm to TutHillTiger
The Vietnam War is the most misunderstood event in American history.
1. we actually won the war militarily when we forced the North Vietnamese to sign the Paris Peace Accords.
2. The Tet Offensive was nowhere near a “turning point” in favor of North Vietnam. What it actually was, was one of the most disastrous defeats for the Communist during the war. The Viet Cong was completely destroyed as a cohesive military force. Following Tet, the North was forced to cannibalize NVA formations to fill out the Viet Chong’s ranks. This was no easy feat considering every single NVA division that was committed to the Tet Offensive was themselves almost bled white.
3. The South Vietnamese Army was actually quite effective. Following the unmitigated disaster of Tet in 1968, it took the North four years to rebuild enough combat strength to once again go on the offensive. In the Spring of 1972 the North launched what is known as the Easter Offensive. By that time almost all US Ground forces had left Vietnam. The task of stopping the North this time fell mostly on South Vietnamese ground forces with some American air cover. The fighting lasted until October 1972 when the North, after suffering gargantuan losses in men and material, halted their offensive. The South had stood on its own. It would take North Vietnam three years to recover.
4. Beginning in 1973, the US Congress began cutting all aid to South Vietnam. While the US was turning its back on its ally, the Soviets were at that same time pouring massive amounts of military supplies and material into North Vietnam. By 1975, the NVA was rebuilt (for a third time) and ready to go on the offensive. The South by then was in dire straits thanks to Congress cutting off all aid. Its military was denied the weapons, ammo, spare parts, and fuel it needed. Thus, when the North invaded again in Spring of 1975, the South didn’t stand a chance.
1. we actually won the war militarily when we forced the North Vietnamese to sign the Paris Peace Accords.
2. The Tet Offensive was nowhere near a “turning point” in favor of North Vietnam. What it actually was, was one of the most disastrous defeats for the Communist during the war. The Viet Cong was completely destroyed as a cohesive military force. Following Tet, the North was forced to cannibalize NVA formations to fill out the Viet Chong’s ranks. This was no easy feat considering every single NVA division that was committed to the Tet Offensive was themselves almost bled white.
3. The South Vietnamese Army was actually quite effective. Following the unmitigated disaster of Tet in 1968, it took the North four years to rebuild enough combat strength to once again go on the offensive. In the Spring of 1972 the North launched what is known as the Easter Offensive. By that time almost all US Ground forces had left Vietnam. The task of stopping the North this time fell mostly on South Vietnamese ground forces with some American air cover. The fighting lasted until October 1972 when the North, after suffering gargantuan losses in men and material, halted their offensive. The South had stood on its own. It would take North Vietnam three years to recover.
4. Beginning in 1973, the US Congress began cutting all aid to South Vietnam. While the US was turning its back on its ally, the Soviets were at that same time pouring massive amounts of military supplies and material into North Vietnam. By 1975, the NVA was rebuilt (for a third time) and ready to go on the offensive. The South by then was in dire straits thanks to Congress cutting off all aid. Its military was denied the weapons, ammo, spare parts, and fuel it needed. Thus, when the North invaded again in Spring of 1975, the South didn’t stand a chance.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:46 pm to MWP
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Wait, are we talking about OEF or OIF or strictly Vietnam?
If it's a war with imperialistic motives, then my statement stands.
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