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Posted on 8/22/23 at 1:53 am to TutHillTiger
I don't think anyone from my generation of 80's babies can really comment seriously unless they went to War College...
Who's to say what is a "mistake" and what is not?
It's deeper than anyone of us can understand - that's free game and wisdom from 33
Edited to add: What's Going On?
Who's to say what is a "mistake" and what is not?
It's deeper than anyone of us can understand - that's free game and wisdom from 33
Edited to add: What's Going On?
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 1:54 am
Posted on 8/22/23 at 5:47 am to Darth_Vader
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The Vietnam War is the most misunderstood event in American history. 1. we actually won the war militarily when we forced the North Vietnamese to sign the Paris Peace Accords. 2. The Tet Offensive was nowhere near a “turning point” in favor of North Vietnam. What it actually was, was one of the most disastrous defeats for the Communist during the war. The Viet Cong was completely destroyed as a cohesive military force. Following Tet, the North was forced to cannibalize NVA formations to fill out the Viet Chong’s ranks. This was no easy feat considering every single NVA division that was committed to the Tet Offensive was themselves almost bled white. 3. The South Vietnamese Army was actually quite effective. Following the unmitigated disaster of Tet in 1968, it took the North four years to rebuild enough combat strength to once again go on the offensive. In the Spring of 1972 the North launched what is known as the Easter Offensive. By that time almost all US Ground forces had left Vietnam. The task of stopping the North this time fell mostly on South Vietnamese ground forces with some American air cover. The fighting lasted until October 1972 when the North, after suffering gargantuan losses in men and material, halted their offensive. The South had stood on its own. It would take North Vietnam three years to recover. 4. Beginning in 1973, the US Congress began cutting all aid to South Vietnam. While the US was turning its back on its ally, the Soviets were at that same time pouring massive amounts of military supplies and material into North Vietnam. By 1975, the NVA was rebuilt (for a third time) and ready to go on the offensive. The South by then was in dire straits thanks to Congress cutting off all aid. Its military was denied the weapons, ammo, spare parts, and fuel it needed. Thus, when the North invaded again in Spring of 1975, the South didn’t stand a chance.
Absolute utter nonsense.
Hamburger hill and the likes came from a poorly defined focus and metrics for what success would even mean. The fall of Saigon is not how you would picture military victory.
It was defeat in VIETNAM - not South Carolina, or Mexico or Canada or the port of New Orleans. We sent our sons, disproportionately the poor from the south, to kill rice peasants, engage in chemical warfare on our own, peasants, and the enemy in agent orange, bomb non-combatants and stunningly beautiful Laos and Cambodia, and create a landmine disaster that would main more poor peasants in fields for decades to come.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 5:56 am to TutHillTiger
I’ll just say this…. We fought two major wars in Korea and Vietnam to stop Communist aggression and currently find ourselves accepting the very Marxist ideology we fought against as a viable political solution to our own problems right now, so the obvious question is, why did we waste so many American lives if we were simply going to accept it with open arms in our own country a few generations later?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:12 am to kfaulk03
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Absolute utter nonsense.
I know for a fact that everything he wrote up through the 1972 Easter Offensive is true. So it isn't utter nonsense at all.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:16 am to kfaulk03
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Absolute utter nonsense. Hamburger hill and the likes came from a poorly defined focus and metrics for what success would even mean. The fall of Saigon is not how you would picture military victory. It was defeat in VIETNAM - not South Carolina, or Mexico or Canada or the port of New Orleans. We sent our sons, disproportionately the poor from the south, to kill rice peasants, engage in chemical warfare on our own, peasants, and the enemy in agent orange, bomb non-combatants and stunningly beautiful Laos and Cambodia, and create a landmine disaster that would main more poor peasants in fields for decades to come. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
What's utter nonsense is the paragraph full of meaningless, emotional tripe that you wrote. Seriously, you may have a real future as a journalist.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 12:54 pm to Sam Quint
And at what cost? Blood, treasure, central authority to draft our sons for a war in Vietnam?
For what gains? For what natural resources? For what ideals? You think you can bomb and agent orange someone out of a poor ideology? Well what is the merit of your ideology where that end justifies the means? Literally anything is justifiable.
How has your heart been so hardened. I hope you look up the pictures of those 18-20yr olds that never got to what you did. WW1 and 2 the US gained massive geopolitical and economic advantage while maintaining the tenets of just war theory. In Vietnam the government of the USA forfeited both.
For what gains? For what natural resources? For what ideals? You think you can bomb and agent orange someone out of a poor ideology? Well what is the merit of your ideology where that end justifies the means? Literally anything is justifiable.
How has your heart been so hardened. I hope you look up the pictures of those 18-20yr olds that never got to what you did. WW1 and 2 the US gained massive geopolitical and economic advantage while maintaining the tenets of just war theory. In Vietnam the government of the USA forfeited both.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:37 pm to TutHillTiger
I don't believe any war since the War of 1812 has been justified.
What did America gain from any of those wars?
Eisenhower Knew. He warned us about the Industrial Military Complex.
Presently we aren't fighting, but our weapons programs are. still pumping out Arms/ammunition while politicians and industrialist are getting wealthy.
What are the taxpayers getting besides the shaft?
We were told that we fought in Korea and Viet Nam to stop the spread of Communism.
Meanwhile the Universities and Hollywood were dominated by Communists.
The Media made a clown out of a Senator who tried to warn us. about Henry Fonda and his daughter Jane.
Now they have control of it all.
What did America gain from any of those wars?
Eisenhower Knew. He warned us about the Industrial Military Complex.
Presently we aren't fighting, but our weapons programs are. still pumping out Arms/ammunition while politicians and industrialist are getting wealthy.
What are the taxpayers getting besides the shaft?
We were told that we fought in Korea and Viet Nam to stop the spread of Communism.
Meanwhile the Universities and Hollywood were dominated by Communists.
The Media made a clown out of a Senator who tried to warn us. about Henry Fonda and his daughter Jane.
Now they have control of it all.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 4:31 pm
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