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re: UPDATE: Houston Ship Channel Closure Due to ITC Fire and Resultant Spill - 23 March 2019
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:00 pm to Cold Drink
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:00 pm to Cold Drink
So, who can see where the temperature inversion is? 
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:01 pm to offshoreangler
The main issue at this point is there aren’t any isolation valves on the tanks. Which is inexcusable!!
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:02 pm to offshoreangler
Did those IFR's have foam piping coming in through the roof?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:03 pm to offshoreangler
I’m guessing TCEQ/EPA will fine them pretty hard?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:04 pm to Teauxler
Fox 26’s Ivory Hecker just reported live from the scene and...brace yourself...she says it “Kinda smells like chemicals” near the tank farm.
Whoa.
Whoa.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:06 pm to offshoreangler
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Sure, but you literally cannot get in there to fight the fire anymore than they are without risk to the guys and gals on the ground.
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Air quality concerns. We have contractors in my facility and in others that have gone home for the day who do not want to put their employees at risk of whatever will drop from the sky.
Right. All the more reason that this "we don't have any air quality concerns" coming from the company and the government" are all BS.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:09 pm to Teauxler
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The main issue at this point is there aren’t any isolation valves on the tanks. Which is inexcusable!!
How are the regulators in Texas? In LA they sure seem like they are bought and sold by the companies. I'm guessing it's the same in TX?
I guess there isn't any sort of protection from the fire moving from one take to the next. What's to stop even more tanks from catching fire? Distance?
Do they know yet what started it?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:12 pm to PipelineBaw
And Deer Park's stance is still that air quality is all good? I wonder what the people in Pasadena have to say
Eta: Can they drain down the surrounding tanks somehow to prevent it from spreading?
Eta: Can they drain down the surrounding tanks somehow to prevent it from spreading?
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:18 pm to Hammertime
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Can they drain down the surrounding tanks somehow to prevent it from spreading?
My understanding is that they are actively draining surrounding tanks.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:18 pm to Teauxler
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The main issue at this point is there aren’t any isolation valves on the tanks. Which is inexcusable!!
I've never been to ITC, but that sounds highly unusual. Especially considering they are storing multiple product grades in the same tank battery.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:19 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Do they know yet what started it?
Got a pretty good idea.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:24 pm to texag7
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I’m guessing TCEQ/EPA will fine them pretty hard?
TCEQ
TRRC
PHMSA may get involved if these are jurisdictional(DOT) assets
Plus customer claims from all this product going up
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Right. All the more reason that this "we don't have any air quality concerns" coming from the company and the government" are all BS.
Could be that they are testing, but haven't found anything yet. Haven't exceeded thresholds for all the methods they are using.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:28 pm to Hammertime
quote:To some extent, but where do you put millions of barrels of liquid?
Eta: Can they drain down the surrounding tanks somehow to prevent it from spreading?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:29 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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To some extent, but where do you put millions of barrels of liquid?
Tank rental companies get hard to stuff like this
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:49 pm to Dire Wolf
they are purely defensive and will let the fire burn out. The gentleman said he couldn't speculate how long it might take and then a reporter asked if it would be "hours". The gentleman immediately reversed himself and then speculated it might take "two days".
So, someone has said this might be the cause: I have confirmed this happened during butane injection. Pump failed causing butane to vaporize and starting the fire.
take that with grain of salt.
answering how butane was injected at ITC:
I don't know for certain but I will make the assumption that it's directly from truck/railcar/barge thru pipeline into the tank. Otherwise, if they stored it onsite in a vessel with greater than 10,000 lbs it would be a Process Safety Management (PSM) covered process and trigger both PSM/RMP.
So, someone has said this might be the cause: I have confirmed this happened during butane injection. Pump failed causing butane to vaporize and starting the fire.
take that with grain of salt.
answering how butane was injected at ITC:
I don't know for certain but I will make the assumption that it's directly from truck/railcar/barge thru pipeline into the tank. Otherwise, if they stored it onsite in a vessel with greater than 10,000 lbs it would be a Process Safety Management (PSM) covered process and trigger both PSM/RMP.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:49 pm to offshoreangler
I heard it was a cigarette butt. Thankfully we banned illegal smoking where in live
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:27 pm to Jobu93
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I don't know for certain but I will make the assumption that it's directly from truck/railcar/barge thru pipeline into the tank. Otherwise, if they stored it onsite in a vessel with greater than 10,000 lbs it would be a Process Safety Management (PSM) covered process and trigger both PSM/RMP.
Butane either came from tank truck, pipeline or in plant tankage.
Typically there are minimum product levels required, along with minimum pressures needing to be maintained in order for the butane to bond with the liquid hydrocarbons. You'll also need specialized nozzles in the tank that facilitate butane blending.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:30 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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To some extent, but where do you put millions of barrels of liquid?
You start looking for fungible product in other customer's tanks with enough space to store it inside the facility.
Then start calling in favors to pipelines if batches were due out in the next few days to see if they can pump early, call up barges/vessels to the dock to move it out.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:36 pm to Dire Wolf
quote:that will take all the frac tanks that have ever been made.
Tank rental companies get hard to stuff like this
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