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Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:10 pm to Zappas Stache
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Smart kids that have tutoring and test prep score better.
No ... doing really well comes down to intelligence. An average person might benefit, especially if they have a limited vocabulary, but practice won't help a high performer improve their score.
It comes down to your ability to parse the information really quickly.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:11 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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It still doesn’t refute the fact that standardized tests are applicable and useful ways to differentiate between candidates.
As I stated they remain poor predictors of actual performance in school. They are merely a shortcut for schools to make the admissions process easy.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:12 pm to Lima Whiskey
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but practice won't help a high performer improve their score.
Well, now your just making shite up to suit your argument.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:12 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Hes making your point and doesn't realize it
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:12 pm to Zappas Stache
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Smart kids that have tutoring and test prep score better.
This is where the schools and public libraries need to step in - and in many cases they do.
If the minority kid is smart - those HS counselors should be doing their jobs and getting those kids the free tutoring and test prep that is available. It’s out there.
Now whether the parents are cooperative is another story.
I think ACT/SAT scores are a good indicator - but it shouldn’t be the only one. I knew a guy in HS that was failing chemistry and had a D in math but scored perfect on the ACT
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:13 pm to Sun God
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I had to do something similar for LSUs Honor College 20 years ago
Yup and for Tulane, Boston College, Loyola-Chicago and all the other crazy schools my counselor made me apply to.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:14 pm to GreenRockTiger
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If the minority kid is smart - those HS counselors should be doing their jobs and getting those kids the free tutoring and test prep that is available. It’s out there.
Why do you assume it’s the minority kid that’s struggling?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:15 pm to Obtuse1
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As I stated they remain poor predictors of actual performance in school.
Okay
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They are merely a shortcut for schools to make the admissions process easy.
And how are schools going to make an apples to apples comparison without tests
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:17 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Why do you assume it’s the minority kid that’s struggling?
I realize you're not writing to me, but I'll take this one.
They're not.
There aren't enough candidates to meet the affirmative action quotas, at any level. So it doesn't matter if you perform poorly, you'll still be chosen.
Testing probably hurts Asians and Whites the most.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:26 pm to Lima Whiskey
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And how are schools going to make an apples to apples comparison without tests
The desire for an apples to apples comparison is a poor approach.
Have you ever hired someone? If so did you use a standardized test as the highest weighted factor in your choice?
Standardized tests are nothing but a shortcut for admissions departments. I say this as someone who tests extremely well and benefited significantly by being able to rely on short periods of focused prep to balance years of doing just enough.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:29 pm to Zappas Stache
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Well, now your just making shite up to suit your argument.
I did well. I remember just flying through on autopilot. I didn't really do any thinking, I could just intuit the answers based off a quick scan of the material.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:30 pm to Stiles
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my niece
Pics?
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Stiles
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:34 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Why do you assume it’s the minority kid that’s struggling?
BC I’m assuming that’s why CA is doing away with the standardized tests.
My husband is white and his HS counselors only cared about the top 5% of the class at the majority white school he went to - he wasn’t in that. His parents didn’t go to college and weren’t really big on education - but he went to college, struggled through but finished. So I know white people struggle as well - but that’s not usually the focus of education gaps.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:38 pm to Deactived
quote:I agree
They will sit here and tell you the sucking off of these Cali state universities like they're the pinnacle of education is laughable
I’m just saying the hyperbole itt on how ridding of the ACT and SAT will completely wreck the application process is just silly
I just watched first hand two young adults the past 18 months make major sacrifices and put a ton of effort into their college applications. Both will be the first class entering university without submitting SAT. I was vocal about how completely retarded it is to do away with the standardized test. But now I can honestly say that I don’t think the SAT being eliminated with makes the overall incoming freshmen any less qualified
quote:not true at the least
It's weird that you move to Cali and all of a sudden act like it's the promised land and you're above us plebs.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:43 pm to SuperSaint
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But now I can honestly say that I don’t think the SAT being eliminated with makes the overall incoming freshmen any less qualified
How can you 'honestly' say this?
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not true at the least
Dude you have been on here for the last year or two acting like you are some rich elitist from California and you're above us poor people from LA.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Makes it easier to discriminate against Asians if you drop standardized test scores.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Standardized tests aren't perfect, but I do believe they are a better indicator than GPAs.
All high schools are not built the same. I remember when my older brother was in high school. He never had homework, ever. He never even carried any books home, etc. As a younger kid, I just knew high school would be a breeze.
Once I was in high school, my experience was completely different. I attended a different high school, and it was everything but a breeze. Whereas my brother never had homework, for 5 days a week I came home with 5 classes worth of homework.
What these schools don't realize is that they are setting these kids up for failure. By lowering your admission standards, you are bringing in lower quality schools. Alot of these students won't be able to hack it at the college level, and thus all the new freshman they allowed in due to relaxed admissions, are all gone after their very first year.
All high schools are not built the same. I remember when my older brother was in high school. He never had homework, ever. He never even carried any books home, etc. As a younger kid, I just knew high school would be a breeze.
Once I was in high school, my experience was completely different. I attended a different high school, and it was everything but a breeze. Whereas my brother never had homework, for 5 days a week I came home with 5 classes worth of homework.
What these schools don't realize is that they are setting these kids up for failure. By lowering your admission standards, you are bringing in lower quality schools. Alot of these students won't be able to hack it at the college level, and thus all the new freshman they allowed in due to relaxed admissions, are all gone after their very first year.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:50 pm to Deactived
No
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:53 pm to Deactived
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They will sit here and tell you the sucking off of these Cali state universities like they're the pinnacle of education is laughable
If someone is comparing them to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, MIT, or Stanford I would agree.
That being said as public schools go the UofC system is far and away the best on the nation. UCLA and Berkely are #1 and 2 and they have 4 of the top 8. UCLA is the only public school in the T20 of national universities.
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