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re: United CEO doubles down, calls passenger "belligerent", claims United followed rules

Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:53 pm to
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9230 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:53 pm to
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You obviously have a long history of working for airlines. Your mantra of "Their policy is a gift from God" has been droned into you for so long that you are unable to separate right from wrong.


I actually do not work for the airline industry, I just fly a ton for work. The fact is that airlines bump people for their own, needed, employees because it is cost effective for them. Is it right? But it is what they do.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:53 pm to
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now it's going to cost them millions in business and bad will.

Idiots.


On the bright side, if you have just switched to United, you'll probably get reasonable voucher deals when they need to bump you. They'd be absolutely stupid if they ever let this happen again.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted by LeClerc
USVI
Member since Oct 2012
2841 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:53 pm to
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Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:54 pm to
Probably had duty time issues to prevent driving
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9230 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:54 pm to
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A. Inconvenience one guy
B. Inconvenience 100+ people that were flying out of Louisville the next morning


What this thread fails to grasp.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9230 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:54 pm to
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United should have sweetened the voucher deal until another volunteer came forward


They can only offer so much legally.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:55 pm to
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A. Inconvenience one guy
B. Inconvenience 100+ people that were flying out of Louisville the next morning


What this thread fails to grasp.


C. Don't let it get to that point in the first place.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:55 pm to
Or, the damn airline could plan better on how to get its employees to point B.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41081 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:56 pm to
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What this thread fails to grasp.


C. Find some other way for an transportation company to transport four people 300 miles away.

That's what you, and United, fail to grasp.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9230 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:56 pm to
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rather than some randomly chosen person just trying get what they paid for.


He would have gotten what he paid for, he just didn't like the time it would take - in which, I believe, the airline has to book him on the next available flight that departs within 24hrs.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41081 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:57 pm to
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They can only offer so much legally.


Also not true. They can offer as much as they want.

They are legally required to offer certain amounts. Legally, they have to go offer 100, 200, or 400 percent, based on the delay. All of those percents are capped.

But they could offer $50,000 if they want.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24215 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:57 pm to
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A. Inconvenience one guy
B. Inconvenience 100+ people that were flying out of Louisville the next morning


What this thread fails to grasp.


No, literally everyone understands this. But there is not a single reason to single out someone like they did just because he bought the lowest fare. What if he needed to be there most? Screw the doctor thing, what if it was another reason? What if it was a patient getting cancer treatment?

I understand requiring to bump someone, but they should bid the voucher out until someone is willing to take their offer. Not one passenger, but someone.

For all we have been told they did this for 3 people, and this guy was the 4th. He was the 1 person they picked, while the other 60+ people are getting passes but they didn't want the $800 either.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108046 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:57 pm to
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What this thread fails to grasp.


So the alternative is to assault the guy for the seat?

Sounds like somebody has shite for a business model.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:58 pm to
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What this thread fails to grasp.



Oh I get why they needed those people on the flight.

I don't get why they didn't sweeten the voucher offering until another passenger volunteered. That is by far the cheapest and best way to handle a situation like this. The booted passenger feels like they got a good deal. The United personnel gets to where they are needed. No delays.

Situations like this come up some times with delays and weather issues. United probably diffuses it correctly 90%+ of the time. For whatever reason, the United team member at Chicago decided that it would be more convenient to have an elderly passenger beaten and torn from his seat instead of doing the right thing.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9230 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:59 pm to
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Or, the damn airline could plan better on how to get its employees to point B.


What cheaper and faster way than to use their own plane? You forget they are trying to service ALL customers, including the ones on the next flight the following day.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41081 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:59 pm to
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Kind of a 180 from his stance yesterday. A good company and a good CEO would have reacted this way a lot quicker.


Or, United has finally decided to hire a crisis PR firm.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8219 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:59 pm to
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It boils down to:

A. Inconvenience one guy
B. Inconvenience 100+ people that were flying out of Louisville the next morning





No way.

The poor planning was a result of United's actions. There were many ways to get those seats given up voluntarily but United didn't want to cough up the money.

Carrier contract laws should be revised and I hope this incident spurs some type of review.

Buying an Airline ticket should not be some type of lottery in hopes that you make the flight. The money has changed hands and some expectation of service should be due.

ETA: Mechanical problems, weather delays, Union strike, I get all of those. We F'd up and we need to get these 4 crew on the plane because we don't have a contingency plan is unacceptable regardless of what the law states.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 5:02 pm
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
46860 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:00 pm to
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The fact is that airlines bump people for their own, needed, employees because it is cost effective for them. Is it right? But it is what they do.


"How they posed to get their money for school?" People rob convenience stores. It is what they do.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:00 pm to
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while the other 60+ people are getting passes but they didn't want the $800 either.


60 people. Keep offering slightly more until someone else volunteers.

And it was a catastrophic mistake to let the plane board before they got the last volunteer. Again....someone at United in Chicago made very bad decisions.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9230 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:00 pm to
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No, literally everyone understands this. But there is not a single reason to single out someone like they did just because he bought the lowest fare. What if he needed to be there most? Screw the doctor thing, what if it was another reason? What if it was a patient getting cancer treatment?



They will account for these circumstances if made known.
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