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re: UNH's UnitedHealth CEO shot and killed

Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12691 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:24 pm to
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Screams pro hit job and not disgruntled patient/family. One can only theorize why but…


To be fair, people with gun skills and some planning ability could very easily see something tragic happen to a loved one etc… and use those skills to take measures into their own hands knowing they had a good chance of walking away

A company like this touches all kinds of walks of life
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25893 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:26 pm to
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Dude may be on the way/somewhere in Asia


Chinatown?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105306 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:29 pm to
Another CEO who needs to beef up his security detail.

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CHICAGO – In an unprecedented move, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield plans representing Connecticut, New York and Missouri have unilaterally declared it will no longer pay for anesthesia care if the surgery or procedure goes beyond an arbitrary time limit, regardless of how long the surgical procedure takes. The American Society of Anesthesiologists calls on Anthem to reverse this proposal immediately.

Anesthesiologists provide individualized care to every patient, carefully assessing the patient’s health prior to the surgery, looking at existing diseases and medical conditions to determine the resources and medical expertise needed, attending to the patient during the entire procedure, resolving unexpected complications that may arise and/or extend the duration of the surgery, and working to ensure that the patient is comfortable during recovery.

Payment for anesthesia services is based on several factors, including the exact amount of time for anesthesiologists to deliver care preoperatively, during the operation, and when transitioning the patient to the recovery unit afterwards. With this new policy, Anthem will arbitrarily pre-determine the time allowed for anesthesia care during a surgery or procedure. If an anesthesiologist submits a bill where the actual time of care is longer than Anthem's limit, Anthem will deny payment for the anesthesiologist’s care. With this new policy, Anthem will not pay anesthesiologists for delivering safe and effective anesthesia care to patients who may need extra attention because their surgery is difficult, unusual or because a complication arises.

“This is just the latest in a long line of appalling behavior by commercial health insurers looking to drive their profits up at the expense of patients and physicians providing essential care,” said Donald E. Arnold, M.D., FACHE, FASA. “It’s a cynical money grab by Anthem, designed to take advantage of the commitment anesthesiologists make thousands of times each day to provide their patients with expert, complete and safe anesthesia care. This egregious policy breaks the trust between Anthem and its policyholders who expect their health insurer to pay physicians for the entirety of the care they need.”


LINK
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79985 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:33 pm to
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With this new policy, Anthem will arbitrarily pre-determine the time allowed for anesthesia care during a surgery or procedure
I doubt it's "arbitrary."
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:33 pm to
Jake, you sure do love to colour inside the lines
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26957 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:34 pm to
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CHICAGO – In an unprecedented move, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield plans representing Connecticut, New York and Missouri have unilaterally declared it will no longer pay for anesthesia care if the surgery or procedure goes beyond an arbitrary time limit, regardless of how long the surgical procedure takes. The American Society of Anesthesiologists calls on Anthem to reverse this proposal immediately.

You have to be a real shitstain of a “human being” to promote or allow a policy like this.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79985 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:35 pm to
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Mate you sure do love to colour inside the lines
I'd just like the truth. A critical thinker reads what's posted and wonders about the other side of the story.

You love to be lead to outrage without bothering to question your shepherd.

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Jake, you sure do love to colour inside the lines
Wait, what happened to "mate?" Are we too at odds now?
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26957 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:43 pm to
An undeniably unfortunate aspect of our health care system is that insurance company executives and employees are put in a position where they have to make choices between behaving morally and creating profit and value for shareholders. Naturally, the folks that rise to the top of these entities are going to tend amoral, at best.

They don’t deserve to get killed for it, but these kinds of events aren’t surprising.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74190 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:44 pm to
Yes, but my problem is with idiots in this thread like dawgfan acting like this is purely an American thing. It isn’t.

A simple google search will show you stories of people from overseas flying to America to access certain treatments or experimental drugs because their govt won’t pay for it.

Why is is ok for a European citizen to pay a ton in taxes and then not have access to lifesaving drugs, but evil for an American insurance company to likewise restrict access?

They are either both evil or neither are evil

Dawgfan is ignoring the former
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23018 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:46 pm to
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I doubt it's "arbitrary."


Straight from Anthem's website:

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Anesthesia billed time units — Commercial
Beginning with claims processed on or after February 1, 2025, Anthem will change how it evaluates billed time on professional claims for anesthesia services (that is, CPT® codes 00100 through 01999).


We will utilize the CMS Physician Work Time values to target the number of minutes reported for anesthesia services. Claims submitted with reported time above the established number of minutes will be denied


So they'll look at a table of how long it "should" take and deny if it goes beyond that.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26957 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:48 pm to
Both are evil. Pretty straightforward.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79985 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:57 pm to
That's not "arbitrary."
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59184 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:58 pm to
Back in the day when everybody died of 54 from black lung health care was affordable, we won 2 world wars, and you could raise a family on one income


Bring back the good old days
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20301 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:59 pm to
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he was also under investigation by the DOJ for insider trading and antitrust violations.


The insider trading thing isn't great because he sold stock before a public release of the antitrust stuff, but he likely did nothing illegal, just unethical.

And every big corporation and their executives these days are being sued and/or under investigation by Lina Khan for antitrust violations.

I also doubt whoever lost money on their stock would do this. This is something else IMO.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20301 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:00 pm to
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subs sometimes wont cycle a semi-auto. shooter clearly knew they wouldnt cycle thus he was racking after each shot



And grabbing the spent casings as he racked.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32757 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:00 pm to
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Dude may be on the way/somewhere in Asia or South America by now.


I think they get this guy within 48 hours, maybe 24.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20301 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:01 pm to
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My point wasn’t profits are bad it’s that making healthcare about profits is bad. It’s why privatization of healthcare doesn’t work in the long run.



If it wasn't about making money, the smartest people wouldn't choose to become doctors.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20301 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:03 pm to
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There’s a reason why American healthcare never places in the top 10



Because we have, by far, the most unhealthy population in the Western world. We're, as a whole, fricking disgusting.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20301 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:07 pm to
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So they'll look at a table of how long it "should" take and deny if it goes beyond that.


Not arbitrary and how a lot of insurance works. They have standards for just about everything.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37526 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:11 pm to
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An undeniably unfortunate aspect of our health care system is that insurance company executives and employees are put in a position where they have to make choices between behaving morally and creating profit and value for shareholders. Naturally, the folks that rise to the top of these entities are going to tend amoral, at best.

They don’t deserve to get killed for it, but these kinds of events aren’t surprising



I think the deserves part depends on the circumstances. White collar crime (or even legal but unethical behavior) does cause morbidity and mortality measured across the affected population.

How you feel about the morality of responding to that reality with violence probably depends on how directly or personally affected you are by the criminal or unethical actors.

In an abstract sense it could be morally justified. On a legal basis you still have to convict a shooter of murder IMO
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