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Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:44 am to Parallax
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Welp, should keep my 2020 LC Heritage Edition value up.
I really want that one but I'm currently sitting on two LX570s and a 1997 40th anniversary LC. Values on later models are not going down now thanks to this news. frickPosted on 10/13/20 at 7:46 am to waiting4saturday
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Why get a $90K land cruiser when you can get an $75k Yukon.
Please be joking.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:58 am to terriblegreen
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Why get a $90K land cruiser when you can get an $75k Yukon.
Because you would be driving your Land Cruiser while your wife's Yukon sits in the service department. My old Tundra never touched a service department, except for oil changes. Yukon has been in for a wide variety of problems, most of which are the tech related features Toyota does not offer.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:17 am to dewster
That means their resale value will only go up
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:27 am to Dragula
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4Runner TRD is the better vehicle at half the price.
Man, I really want one. I'm at 185k on my 2008 SR5 2WD and would really love a new TRD, I just can't justify the price.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:35 am to SuperSaint
Ball till you fall is the cash money motto
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:51 am to dewster
The real play is to buy one that someone has already taken the depreciation hit on. Finding one that someone has taken 50% or more of the hit and still being able to drive it for 200k or more miles is a smart move. Of course, most don't keep vehicles for that long.
Toyota is widely known to be lacking when it comes to tech, and for this they get dumped on. What else is Toyota known for, reliability. The biggest Land Cruiser market is not the US, and like it has already been said, in other markets they are more worried about getting somewhere and back, often in dangerous or bad conditions.
No doubt they are expensive and maybe have a niche market, but to crap on them because of their price, come on
2021 Jeep Rubicon $59k
2020 Ram 1500 Big Horn $64k
2020 Ford F150 King Ranch $60k
2020 Ford Expedition Ecoboost $65k
2020 Chevy Tahoe $75k
May be a matte of opinion, but I don't think any on this quick list will take the abuse and be as reliable as the Land Cruiser.
Toyota is widely known to be lacking when it comes to tech, and for this they get dumped on. What else is Toyota known for, reliability. The biggest Land Cruiser market is not the US, and like it has already been said, in other markets they are more worried about getting somewhere and back, often in dangerous or bad conditions.
No doubt they are expensive and maybe have a niche market, but to crap on them because of their price, come on
2021 Jeep Rubicon $59k
2020 Ram 1500 Big Horn $64k
2020 Ford F150 King Ranch $60k
2020 Ford Expedition Ecoboost $65k
2020 Chevy Tahoe $75k
May be a matte of opinion, but I don't think any on this quick list will take the abuse and be as reliable as the Land Cruiser.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 8:52 am
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:55 am to BigWillieStyle
Value on those is going to sky rocket when they're disco'd.
Sucks as these are badass cars.
They should be around 50-60k though. Car prices are effing out of control.
Debt economy.
Sucks as these are badass cars.
They should be around 50-60k though. Car prices are effing out of control.
Debt economy.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:55 am to CidCock
You want a TRD because of the cool colors? No one takes these things on real trails...you’d be fricking moronic to do so in a $45k truck you owed money on. May as well just upgrade yours with an ARB locker and some sliders and extraction points...
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:05 am to Gaston
Certified pre owned is the way to go IMO for any luxury level priced vehicle.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:22 am to The Korean
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Toyota is widely known to be lacking when it comes to tech, and for this they get dumped on. What else is Toyota known for, reliability. The biggest Land Cruiser market is not the US, and like it has already been said, in other markets they are more worried about getting somewhere and back, often in dangerous or bad conditions.
No doubt they are expensive and maybe have a niche market, but to crap on them because of their price, come on
2021 Jeep Rubicon $59k
2020 Ram 1500 Big Horn $64k
2020 Ford F150 King Ranch $60k
2020 Ford Expedition Ecoboost $65k
2020 Chevy Tahoe $75k
May be a matte of opinion, but I don't think any on this quick list will take the abuse and be as reliable as the Land Cruiser.
None of those on that list are bad vehicles, and all of them probably handle salt corrosion better than any Toyota. You may see the Land Cruiser as a tough and reliable rig, but the reality is that it has been marketed towards luxury SUV buyers for the past 20 years in the US.
There is a large subset of buyers that gravitate towards the Chevrolet Suburban that buy full sized SUVs to haul their family around, handle light/moderate off roading, and tow their toys/horse trailers/etc. That's where Toyota has been aiming the Land Cruiser lately. It may have extensive off road hardware that enables overlanding without extensive modifications - but most people that buy new Land Cruisers aren't really using it that way in the US. They aren't doing anything with it that a 4x4 Suburban or Tahoe with locking diffs couldn't do just as well if not better.
Toyota opted to bring the higher end Land Cruiser to the US as a luxury vehicle instead of the bulletproof 70 series. Luxury has been their strategy with the LC for at least the last 20 years. Then 5-10 years ago, Toyota opted to invest more in the Lexus LX570 and let the Land Cruiser age without a real update to keep it current. They quickly got their asses handed to them by American competition that has moved increasingly upmarket in the past decade - not to mention that you could get a Toyota Sequioa in the same showroom that does everything that most buyers want even better than the Land Cruiser.
On top of all that, the iconic Range Rover now has the benefits of deeper pockets since Land Rover has been purchased by the Indian conglomerate TaTa. They aren't as reliable as the Germans, Americans, or Japanese....but they aren't embarrassingly crappy anymore either. Range Rover's also offer the latest tech, a lot of off road hardware, and a gorgeous design inside and out.
And since the Land Cruiser was priced as a luxury vehicle, it also faced stiff competition from higher end competitors that aren't even off-road focused. Very competitive vehicles like the Mercedes GLS, BMW X7, Cadillac Escalade, and Lincoln Navigator have grown tremendously in popularity especially lately. And every one of them has a nicer interior, better ride, better technology, and more appeal than the Land Cruiser.
And as much as the LC faithful like to tout the Land Cruiser's reliability, the alternative products being provided by Chevrolet, GMC, Jeep (Wrangler), Ford, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Cadillac, and Lincoln aren't known for being lemons. The Suburban in particular has been around for 75 years. The Jeep Wrangler isn't far behind, although it's only become a 4 door off roader in the past 20 years.
Toyota mismanaged the Land Cruiser in the USA, which probably buys more expensive full sized SUVs than any other country on the planet. That's the cold, hard reality. In a world where Lexus exists, there was no longer room for a luxury-focused Toyota SUV.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 9:29 am
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:28 am to Dragula
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4Runner TRD is the better vehicle at half the price.
I would agree. The TRD 4Runner (not even the super crazy TRD Pro) has almost all the off road hardware of the LC, plus the benefit of a smaller size.
It's also still running the old 5 speed auto and 4.0L V6 engine that Toyota has been cranking out for 20 years now. In all likelihood, the 4Runner will last a very long time if you don't live in an area that puts a lot of salt on the roads in the winter.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:32 am to Gaston
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TRD because of the cool colors
The “cool” colors aren’t that cool either. Toyota forum classifieds are littered with Pro takeoff parts too. An Offroad is $40k. A Pro is $50k before markup. I’ll take an OR plus a $10k shopping spree at Toytec.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:41 am to Dandy Lion
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They now have to make Lexus rugged performance.
Tough task.
I had a 2014 LC that got flooded in Hurricane Harvey. It was paid off and I think I broke down harder losing that vehicle than I did my house flooding but I took the insurance money on it and bought a 2017 Lexus and honestly, there isn't much of a difference other than the logo.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:42 am to pjab
I bought a Tacoma SR5 in with the idea of outfitting it like I wanted. After a bunch of trails out west I decided that I owed too much money to void warranties like that.
Buy an old Jeep, a trailer to get it out there...and a nice 4 door truck for the family to ride in. Go with a group, bring a bunch of extraction gear and tools.
Buy an old Jeep, a trailer to get it out there...and a nice 4 door truck for the family to ride in. Go with a group, bring a bunch of extraction gear and tools.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:58 am to dewster
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None of those on that list are bad vehicles, and all of them probably handle salt corrosion better than any Toyota. You may see the Land Cruiser as a tough and reliable rig, but the reality is that it has been marketed towards luxury SUV buyers for the past 20 years in the US
This is where I think one of the problems comes from, what type of marketing did they do for the Land Cruiser at all?
I don't disagree, for what most people in US will use it for, there are plenty of competition with other luxury SUVs that certainly have more tech, creature comforts, and nicer high touch feel. Perhaps it's my cheapness, and aging, I just see a lot of long term value and abilty in the LC.
I have a Tundra, and in the past, I found a reason to get a new truck every 3-4 years, I don't plan on getting rid of my truck until the wheels fall off on the interstate somewhere. I also used to subconsciously not like having a high mileage vehicle, I got 100k and am excited about seeing at least 300k hopefully.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:13 am to The Korean
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what type of marketing did they do for the Land Cruiser at all?
I believe the US LC marketing budget for the last 5 years was $0 according to the article I read.
On a separate note I think the LX is a perfectly fine replacement for the LC in its current version. I just went through the LC/LX/4Runner/GX debate and landed on the GX. It was the best size for me and had all the off-road cred I needed in a vehicle with a nicer interior and a little more power than the 4Runner.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:14 am to Dragula
No. An 80 Series LC will outperform a 4Runner TRD.
You shouldn’t talk about things you don’t know about.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:36 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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An 80 Series LC will outperform a 4Runner TRD
this is correct. Unless it's mud
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