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re: There is a world wide helium shortage and we may need to ban party balloons

Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4710 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:02 pm to
From everything I've read before, the helium used to filled balloons is "low grade" and couldn't be used for the scientific purposes mentioned.
Posted by pickle311
Liberty Hill TX
Member since Sep 2008
1060 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:20 pm to
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What we really need are room temperature superconductors.


At this point in time that's not possible. The coils in the magnet don't become superconductive until they get right at 4 degrees Kelvin, or -450F for everyone else.
We are working on different magnets that don't use He though, will be interesting to see what the future holds for us.
Posted by Open Dore Policy
The Commodore State
Member since Oct 2012
4472 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:32 pm to
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So now my balloon in a balloon will cost me $50.




We went 3-4 years ago and my wife talked me into getting them for our 4 kids before we left.

I spent around $80 on damn balloons inside of balloons.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:35 pm to
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Disney will also be affected by this.

Wait till they run out and everyone finds out that Mickey's real voice is a deep baritone.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14667 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:43 pm to
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At this point in time that's not possible.

Well duh. If we had them already, we wouldn't need them.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80801 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:04 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 6:17 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80801 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:06 pm to
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I read about this several years ago.
There was a major shortage around 2013-2015 but then the market was flooded with a couple big sources coming online. Now, there has been so much growth and no more helium sources, we are entering another major crunch
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80801 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:09 pm to
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Why wouldn’t the normal supply and demand force prices up to where customers will not be willing to pay for helium balloons?
It is getting there. Helium prices have increased about 300% over the past 12 months
Posted by Squid
Goodlettsville
Member since Sep 2006
1243 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:15 pm to
It’s true. The wife pressure tests rocket engines, which requires helium. Getting harder to buy it.
Posted by tigernnola
NOLA
Member since Sep 2016
3589 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:17 pm to
Party City closing 46 stores with the shortage. Goodyear may have a problem the big problem with the blimp fleet :-)
Posted by CuyahogaTigerJr
Northeast ohio
Member since Aug 2018
2188 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:28 pm to
Bout dam time
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18508 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:36 pm to
I’m sure someone said it already, but how is helium even produced? Is it mined? Can it be produced in a lab? I hadno idea that helium was a finite resource. It’s was just always there.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
26034 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:41 pm to
Helium is flying off the shelves
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:51 pm to
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I’m sure someone said it already, but how is helium even produced?

You take a gas stream that contains helium and you chill the frick out of it under high pressure. Helium has the lowest boiling point of any gas, so the other gases condense into liquids and can be removed while the helium remains gaseous. That's why it's so expensive. You've got to squeeze a lot of gas and get it down to a few hundred degrees below zero to condense everything else out to concentrate the helium and that takes a LOT of energy.

After most of the other gases are condensed out, then you can use various scrubbing methods to get rid of the remaining traces of contaminants.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 7:14 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68421 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:58 pm to
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i'm pretty astounded by some of the responses in this thread...the periodic table is table of elements. this is 9th grade shite

do people really not understand what an element is? and where it comes from? and that they are ALL finite?
Nobody remembers that stuff, nerd. Helium may be finite, but swirlies aren't. Meet me at the Sonic bathroom in Hammond.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7539 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:20 pm to
With all the chemicals out there and gas formulations no one has come up with an inexpensive nonflammable, nontoxic, eco friendly inert gas to use in balloons.

Posted by M. A. Ryland
silver spring, MD
Member since Dec 2005
2051 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:32 pm to
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All the helium keeps floating away.


That is actually pretty close to the truth...
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18508 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:45 pm to
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You take a gas stream that contains helium and you chill the frick out of it under high pressure. Helium has the lowest boiling point of any gas, so the other gases condense into liquids and can be removed while the helium remains gaseous. That's why it's so expensive. You've got to squeeze a lot of gas and get it down to a few hundred degrees below zero to condense everything else out to concentrate the helium and that takes a LOT of energy.

After most of the other gases are condensed out, then you can use various scrubbing methods to get rid of the remaining traces of contaminants.


Well frick me running. You learn something new everyday.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:46 pm to
There is no chemical way of manufacturing helium, and the supplies we have originated in the very slow radioactive alpha decay that occurs in rocks. It costs around 10,000 times more to extract helium from air than it does from rocks and natural gas reserves. Helium is the second-lightest element in the Universe.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71361 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:49 pm to
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gonna start a company to mine the sun. There's plenty helium there.



The temperatures will be an issue. You'll have to work at night.
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