re: The over representation of homosexuality

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Created the belief? For whom?



For Hollywood. They believe the over-representation of gay/bi/etc in their circles is indicative of everyone's circles everywhere.

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I can't imagine that's true. I can imagine that they would like to make it more acceptable to society.

I can also imagine that they would be more than green-lighted on such a project, given how much it divides us. And in Hollywood (like every other facet of life), that is the end goal. Make no mistake about that.

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Which, BTW, we should still be doing today. I mean, who gives a frick as long as people aren't treading on freedoms and liberty. Why should you or I care?



because we live in a society. We are not frontiersmen in the old west.

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A society of easily-herded sheep apparently.

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I can't imagine that's true. I can imagine that they would like to make it more acceptable to society.

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You need to work on that imagination then.

CW's 2019 "Open To All" PSA

2015 "Love Has No Labels" ad campaign

As I mentioned in my previous post, it's not "acceptance" which is being pushed any longer, the "inclusion" angle is really a demand for constant and jubilant celebration.

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I can't imagine that's true. I can imagine that they would like to make it more acceptable to society.



You need to work on that imagination then.

CW's 2019 "Open To All" PSA

2015 "Love Has No Labels" ad campaign

As I mentioned in my previous post, it's not "acceptance" which is being pushed any longer, the "inclusion" angle is really a demand for constant and jubilant celebration.

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Could the "inclusion" be a way of saying don't be afraid anymore to "come out" which falls under the umbrella of "acceptance."

I mean, if you are gay, you know you aren't recruiting folks to become gay.

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society of easily-herded sheep apparently.

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uhhhh… yeah. No doubt about that

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I mean, if you are gay, you know you aren't recruiting folks to become gay.

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Almost a century ago there was a study done called the Monster Study. The goal was to determine if stuttering in children could be reversed by reinforcement.

What they did was take about 2 dozen orphans (ages 5-15) and split them into four groups.

1. Kids who stuttered who were told they stuttered.
2. Kids who stuttered who were told they didn't stutter.
3. Kids who did not stutter who were told they stuttered.
4. Kids who did not stutter who were told they did not stutter.

The results were troubling. While none of the stutterers were cured, the non-stutterers who were told they stuttered developed lifelong stutters.

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The experimental period lasted from January until late May 1939, and the actual intervention consisted of Tudor driving to Davenport from Iowa City every few weeks and talking with each child for about 45 minutes. She followed an agreed-upon script. In her dissertation, she reported that she talked to the stuttering youngsters who were going to be told that they did not stutter. She said to them, in part, "You'll outgrow [the stuttering], and you will be able to speak even much better than you are speaking now... Pay no attention to what others say about your speaking ability for undoubtedly they do not realize that this is only a phase."

To the non-stuttering youngsters in IIA, who were to be branded stutterers, she said: "The staff has come to the conclusion that you have a great deal of trouble with your speech… You have many of the symptoms of a child who is beginning to stutter. You must try to stop yourself immediately. Use your will power… Do anything to keep from stuttering… Don't ever speak unless you can do it right. You see how [the name of a child in the institution who stuttered severely] stutters, don't you? Well, he undoubtedly started this very same way."

The children in IIA responded immediately. After her second session with 5-year-old Norma Jean Pugh, Tudor wrote, "It was very difficult to get her to speak, although she spoke very freely the month before." Another in the group, 9-year-old Betty Romp, "practically refuses to talk," a researcher wrote in his final evaluation. "Held hand or arm over eyes most of the time." Hazel Potter, 15, the oldest in her group, became "much more conscious of herself, and she talked less," Tudor noted. Potter also began to interject and to snap her fingers in frustration. She was asked why she said 'a' so much. "Because I'm afraid I can't say the next word." "Why did you snap your fingers?" "Because I was afraid I was going to say 'a.'"

All the children's schoolwork fell off. One of the boys began refusing to recite in class. The other, eleven-year-old Clarence Fifer, started anxiously correcting himself. "He stopped and told me he was going to have trouble on words before he said them," Tudor reported. She asked him how he knew. He said that the sound "wouldn't come out. Feels like it's stuck in there."

The sixth orphan, Mary Korlaske, a 12-year-old, grew withdrawn and fractious. During their sessions, Tudor asked whether her best friend knew about her 'stuttering,' Korlaske muttered, "No." "Why not?" Korlaske shuffled her feet. "I hardly ever talk to her." Two years later, she ran away from the orphanage and eventually ended up at the rougher Industrial School for Girls — simultaneously escaping her human experimentation.

Mary Tudor herself wasn't untouched. Three times after her experiment had officially ended, she returned to the orphanage to voluntarily provide follow-up care. She told the IIA children that they didn't stutter after all. The impact, however well-meaning, was questionable. She wrote to Johnson about the orphans in a slightly defensive letter dated April 22, 1940, "I believe that in time they … will recover, but we certainly made a definite impression on them."

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The real lesson here was that children are highly susceptible to the power of suggestion. Now imagine that instead of telling kids "you stutter" the message is "being gay is wonderful" or "you're really trans".

That's where we are.

Stfu. They are trying to take full control of all aspects of life including lording over your god damn kids. The whole “let them be” bull$hit is over, they are all in on trying to dismantle the nuclear family and the stability that comes with a real family.

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The real lesson here was that children are highly susceptible to the power of suggestion.

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Do these children not have parents? Any responsible parent would be doubled over with laughter at your example.

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Now imagine that instead of telling kids "you stutter" the message is "being gay is wonderful" or "you're really trans".

That's where we are.

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Again, this is just absurd. You aren't going to talk a child into becoming gay. They either are, or they aren't. Even at that age, they know.

My question to you (and those in this thread) is, what are really afraid of and why?

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Do these children not have parents? Any responsible parent would be doubled over with laughter at your example.

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No, they were all orphans.

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Again, this is just absurd. You aren't going to talk a child into becoming gay.

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Again, this is just absurd. You aren't going to talk a child into becoming gay.

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O-k-k-k-k-k-k-kay...

Four-year-old kid announces transition to male gender with reveal

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“Once they closed the road, Charlie strutted out with Grammy and they faced the sidelines and after a short struggle, the cannon exploded with blue smoke and biodegradable confetti,” his mum, 27-year-old Alaina Bourrel, told South West News Service after her little boy ran into her arms.

“Charlie jumped with joy as the crowd cheered him on. He couldn’t believe the love and support he was shown from the bystanders.”

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At four years old kids think they are all sorts of things. At 4, my god-daughter announced she was "Perkalese" (Hercules, from watching the Disney movie) and insisted we call her that... for about a week. Around that same time she insisted she was "Simbrella" (Cinderella). At around the same age, her brother insisted he was a dog.

Their parents briefly humored them, but not to the point of celebrating the idea with a cannon and confetti.

Unsurprisingly... Report Reveals Sharp Rise in Transgender Young People in the U.S.

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My question to you (and those in this thread) is, what are really afraid of and why?

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You seem quick to simply not believe evidence laid before you. I've plainly laid out my stance and data to support it while your response each time has essentially been "I don't believe that" with no supporting data. Now you ask what "really" concerns me, as if I haven't given you multiple posts now with supporting information.

The problem isn't that you're asking questions, it's that you're refusing the answers for no reason other than your simple refusal to accept them as even a possibility.

I'm done banging my head against your wall of denial. I'm out.