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re: The lying and catastrophizing regarding AI Data Centers is reaching critical mass
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:19 am to Salmon
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:19 am to Salmon
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By growth and/or efficiency
Some corporations will be able to leverage it for growth.
Most will use for "efficiency"
I don't think you need me to explain what "efficiency" means in the corporate realm
Love the snark but how will that make them money?
This post was edited on 5/19/26 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:20 am to bad93ex
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How will that make them money?
do you not understand how corporations work?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:21 am to Salmon
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do you not understand how corporations work?
Who will be paying money for the services created by the new datacenters?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:23 am to bad93ex
What are we doing here? Can you just get to your point?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:26 am to Salmon
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What are we doing here? Can you just get to your point?
This right here
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the customers being shareholders, who only care about maximizing profit
If the only customers are the shareholders then they would be losing money.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:32 am to bad93ex
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If the only customers are the shareholders then they would be losing money.
Oh. I'm not going back and doing this whole exchange again, but that was in regard to the corporations being the customers of AI corporations.
Not shareholders being the only customer of AI corporations.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:41 am to Salmon
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Again, their customers are corporations, and those corporations are demanding AI in order to maximize profit margins for shareholders
none of this has anything to do with your normal person
"Normal" people are using AI and related computing power at a large rate, around 30 percent of AI related computing power is used by individuals. If you include small business, the number is higher.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:44 am to cbree88
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Should be pretty simple and easy to put regulation guard rails on a situation like this.
I have to believe this is sarcasm.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Make the data centers pay for desalinization.
The proposed datacenter in that area hardly uses any water. It's a drop in the bucket compared to the heavy industrial users.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:00 pm to wallowinit
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Good Lord. Leave the engineering to the engineers.
And yes, the issues are now well known since there have been hundreds of facilities built on the banks of the Mississippi river. But the issues are still there and must be dealt with and somehow they were/are able to figure it out.
Understood. Is it mostly to due with the soil and subsidence? A flooding issue and/or high water table? I'm mostly familiar with the environmental side of things, so the civil/construction/mechanical/electrical side of things can often go over my head.
My initial impression about the ease of design were related to water use (intake structures, clarifiers), and treatment design (dilution factor to the MS River).
What kind of specific issues that are present in building along the MS River that are unique to those sites?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:03 pm to Powerman
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he proposed datacenter in that area hardly uses any water.
How much? Can you post the gallons per day?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:18 pm to Roaad
Definitely don’t want one near me.
I’d love to know how any area thinks their lives will improve due to a data center locating there.
I’d love to know how any area thinks their lives will improve due to a data center locating there.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:18 pm to notsince98
From what I’ve heard from several people working at the one in NE LA, these places are basically built in spite of the companies building them. Lots of inexperienced junior level engineers and lots of mistakes that contractors have tried to prevent but were told that it would be fine.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:31 pm to upgrayedd
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Lots of inexperienced junior level engineers and lots of mistakes that contractors have tried to prevent but were told that it would be fine.
Sounds about right.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:34 pm to notsince98
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How much? Can you post the gallons per day?
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No municipal water will be used for cooling at any point during the life of the facility. The cooling system uses a closed loop design that circulates water through sealed piping, filled once with water sourced from outside Nueces County and expected to remain in use for approximately four to seven years, requiring no ongoing consumption and no draw from local sources.
Municipal water will be used solely for standard facility needs such as restrooms and sinks. Total daily consumption for each phase of the project is estimated at approximately 10,000 gallons per day, comparable to the daily water use of a small commercial facility such as a restaurant.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 1:06 pm to Powerman
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No municipal water will be used for cooling at any point during the life of the facility. The cooling system uses a closed loop design that circulates water through sealed piping, filled once with water sourced from outside Nueces County and expected to remain in use for approximately four to seven years, requiring no ongoing consumption and no draw from local sources.
This is marketing and not true. You can spend 5 minutes googling to find IEEE articles or other 3rd party studies that will show you the daily consumption of closed loop data centers. It is not zero. It is WAY less than evaporative cooled data centers but way more than zero.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 1:49 pm to Roaad
There is some of that, but they are just shitty projects and not worth what states are forking out to get them.
This post was edited on 5/19/26 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 5/19/26 at 1:50 pm to NIH
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These centers are bringing much needed jobs and stability to main street USA
Everyone criticizing this is a moron. They don't realize the vast amount of jobs this will create for computers and robots to do. I'm sorry you're having to deal with all of these technophobes.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 2:55 pm to Roaad
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NV Energy, the Nevada utility that has supplied the bulk of Lake Tahoe’s electricity for decades, told Liberty Utilities—the small California company that services the region—that it will stop providing power after May 2027. The reason? NV Energy needs the capacity for data centers. As in: the energy supplier for the Lake Tahoe region is telling the utility company that it has less than a year to find another power source.
Northern Nevada has become one of the fastest-growing data-center corridors in the country. Google, Apple, and Microsoft have either built or are planning facilities around the Tahoe-Reno Industrial Center east of Reno. The Desert Research Institute, using data from NV Energy’s 2024 Integrated Resource Plan, found that the 12 data center projects located overwhelmingly in Northern Nevada could drive 5,900 megawatts of new demand by 2033. At a regional business event last fall, NV Energy’s director of business development called the moment “unprecedented,” saying the company was eager to serve the new industrial load but that it would not “impact our existing customer base.”
But Liberty’s 49,000 California customers may already be bearing the cost. Liberty Utilities generates about 25% of its power from solar facilities it owns in Nevada. The other 75% comes from NV Energy, and that source will no longer be supplied to the region by this time next year.
“It’s like we don’t exist,” Danielle Hughes told Fortune. Hughes is a North Lake Tahoe resident, CEO of the nonprofit Tahoe Spark, and a supervisor within the California Energy Commission’s Efficiency Division.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 2:56 pm to Powerman
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The proposed datacenter in that area hardly uses any water. It's a drop in the bucket compared to the heavy industrial users.
My comments were in general, and not about this specific situation. Desalinization should be used much more than it is, especially for industrial uses that are near the ocean.
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