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Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:29 am to Powerman
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Any thoughts on how they should handle the water situation there?
I was there for over a decade and my folks still reside there
Make the data centers pay for desalinization.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:35 am to Roaad
I don't know why a single citizen would be in favor of data centers. They arent gonna provide any benefit to you regardless of their footprint
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:35 am to Roaad
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The lying and catastrophizing regarding AI Data Centers is reaching critical mass
It is reaching Y2K levels
There are legitimate concerns about data centers (water consumption, power consumption costs being passed on to consumers, etc), and then there's the fear pr0n. That more and wilder the fear porn we get, the more it eats into the legitimacy of the rational points.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:37 am to Powerman
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Any thoughts on how they should handle the water situation there?
IMO, the biggest hurdle is city council. They’d rather argue and lie to the public than address the actual issue. They’ve mismanaged funds, delayed votes, etc. We have some people that care more about fish in a particular area than they do about 300,000 residents getting water. Personally, I think you have to go desal, and spend the money to dump farther into the bay. It’s a non-partisan issue, and come next vote, I’m going against every sitting member on the council.
The industry has received breaks regarding water for a long time. A deep dive shows how poorly funds are managed and how many backroom deals there are. A Houston law firm posted a video showing some findings and a paper trail recently. It’s bad. My last water bill change showed industry was going to pay even LESS per gallon this coming year. After all the local residents complaining, they stiffed us again.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:40 am to sgallo3
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I don't know why a single citizen would be in favor of data centers. They arent gonna provide any benefit to you regardless of their footprint
But but, random internet user says we are all taking the bait and ignoring the benefits these centers provide.
Is it jobs? Is it that we truly need massive storage on a cloud? Is it because we truly need AI power to run the McDonald’s drive thru and other menial jobs? Is it because we need AI to generate memes and photos?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:42 am to sgallo3
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They arent gonna provide any benefit to you regardless of their footprint
You mean massive data centers designed to store and extract every single piece of data from me in order to extract any all resources from me isn't a benefit to me?
Nonsense.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:49 am to Salmon
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You mean massive data centers designed to store and extract every single piece of data from me in order to extract any all resources from me isn't a benefit to me?
Nonsense
Its funny that for a lot of posters its as simple as if they see people saying something is bad for the environment they are automatically for it.
Anyone in favor of building more data centers probably has an Alexa in every room of their house and will be the first one to buy the new federal surveillance compatible vehicles that release in 2027 where they can shut down your vehicle remotely if your eyes start to look drowsy.
This post was edited on 5/19/26 at 9:50 am
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:51 am to Roaad
If we don't have datacenters how will we post on Tigerdroppings all day?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:56 am to Roaad
SKYNET
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:56 am to wheelr
It is said in jest. Traditional websites and forums like TD are great.
Not a fan of these mega corps and tech bros sucking up all resources (land, water, power, chips, memory, etc) hoping to extract your money while also wanting to eliminate your job. We won't be able to run privacy respecting open LLM models on our own machines because the hardware will be too expensive.
Not a fan of these mega corps and tech bros sucking up all resources (land, water, power, chips, memory, etc) hoping to extract your money while also wanting to eliminate your job. We won't be able to run privacy respecting open LLM models on our own machines because the hardware will be too expensive.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:01 am to sgallo3
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Anyone in favor of building more data centers probably has an Alexa in every room of their house and will be the first one to buy the new federal surveillance compatible vehicles that release in 2027 where they can shut down your vehicle remotely if your eyes start to look drowsy.
By every measurable indicator, we are living through the largest, fastest technological buildout in human history, it is inevitable.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:03 am to notsince98
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As someone involved in this process, it isn't as sophisticated or well thought as you'd hope. They will go anywhere with fiber, power, water and enough land.
Whelp, 1 outta 4 ain't bad.. .
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:08 am to bad93ex
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By every measurable indicator, we are living through the largest, fastest technological buildout in human history
You could say this about any time period. In 15 years the shite we are building now will be obsolete as far as computing goes.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:15 am to wallowinit
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Your analysis is fatally flawed. You assume that there is absolutely no benefit to anyone anywhere anyhow from an AI data center and that technology stops dead in its tracks when that AI data center is built.
Wait.. let me make sure I’m understanding you correctly:
My point was that there are legitimate concerns about how data centers will affect the cost of electricity for the rate-paying public.
You’re saying that my analysis is “fatally flawed” because I’m not also considering the benefits of the data centers?
This line of reasoning implies 1) that you don’t dispute the concerns about cost of electricity and 2) that you believe the benefits of AI data centers outweigh that cost (in the literal sense of the word - dollars out of the public’s pockets).
To which I would say, emphatically: frick that.
These aren’t municipal projects owned by taxpayers. They aren’t even public-private partnerships. They’re assets wholly owned by for-profit companies.
But let’s assume for a moment that the folks running the AI labs are correct about the impact of AI. People like Dario Amodei, Demis Hassabis, and Sam Altman keep talking about how AGI is going to completely change our economy. They voice concern about the disruption to the job market. These are the same folks advocating for UBI as a stopgap. If we are truly facing an unprecedented concentration of wealth and power, why the hell would the public need to subsidize it? They should be subsidizing the public if that’s the case.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:27 am to sgallo3
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You could say this about any time period. In 15 years the shite we are building now will be obsolete as far as computing goes.
If we can figure out quantum computing sure but right now with Moore's Law being dead we have to scale horizontally.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:34 am to sgallo3
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Its funny that for a lot of posters its as simple as if they see people saying something is bad for the environment they are automatically for it.
Anyone in favor of building more data centers probably has an Alexa in every room of their house and will be the first one to buy the new federal surveillance compatible vehicles that release in 2027 where they can shut down your vehicle remotely if your eyes start to look drowsy.
Yep, protesting your local city council to deny a data center build will definitely stop the coming AI apocalypse.
This shite is happening, for better or worse. We can debate whether it should be in our communities or not, but they are going somewhere.
The debate on whether they should be built at all is over.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:35 am to Roaad
Looks like a big wasp is trying to bite him with his hand all over, I know, I know...data centers ai needs to go back in THE BOX
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:40 am to NIH
To build them they will create many jobs NOT AFTER THEY ARE BUILT! DA
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:42 am to Chuck Barris
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I think they look for places where land is cheap and where they think the people are too poor and politically disengaged to stop them. I don't think they care about the environment or the impact on residents beyond doing the bare minimum requires by law.
While cheap land is a plus, this is just not true. They are paying anywhere from 35,000 per acre to 300,000 per acre, or more in a few cases. Most rural land is selling for 3-5k an acre for unimproved land in the Southeast. Out of the 100’s of millions of acres of land, what they require has to fit specific criteria. POWER is #1 limiting factor. That alone eliminates millions of acres itself.
Gas lines are also a plus. That also eliminates millions more. If you find the right place where you can get the electric power AND natural gas at a specific site, that’s the golden egg.
Now you are down to just a handful of places that meet this criteria. They just don’t go for cheap land with poor people to exploit. The places they are choosing have been pinpointed and due diligence done before even CONSIDERING a Data Center build. It’s a needle in a haystack to meet the requirements. You can’t just pop one up anywhere just because the land is cheap.
I say we just get out of the rat race and let China, Russia, Europe, Asia and Middle East make major advances in AI. We can sit here and complain about fabricated anti-data center BS, and just let them rule the world, while the US drifts off into obscurity. Excellent idea. America LAST!! At least my power bill didn’t go up.
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