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re: The latest Spider-Man is a lesbian woman in a wheelchair

Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:39 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:39 pm to
Those are total sales, which not only includes Marvel and DC, but Image, manga, anime, etc.

I guarantee that if you were able to find that data which breaks out unit sales of just Marvel and DC per year you would see a significant decline over the last twenty years.

The increasing "woke" exposure is just the latest step on that path. Comic prices have more than doubled in the last twenty years (~$4-$5 per comic), that alone is going to kill how many you sell (which kills your reach). For $6 I can buy a My Hero Academia paperback (193 pages) or I can buy a single copy of a Marvel or DC comic. Guess which a lot are choosing.

Also, there's a TON of manga content out there with something for pretty much everyone. There's so much that if someone bitches about a given female character having boobs too big and she's in a story written for your males, the artists will likely just make them bigger. They simply dgaf about shoe-horning their creations into the framework of someone else's ideal.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:46 pm to
Manga is a $5.6 billion dollar industry in Japan alone.

I still buy it on occasion.
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:46 pm to
Pretty much.

Manga runs the gamut from spy stuff (Golgo 13) to warriors walking the earth (Fist Of The North Star) to magical girl stuff (Sailor Moon et all) to all kinds of fricked up shite like hentai and yaoi.

They don’t let Golgo 13 start getting written like Sailor Moon or vice versa. Golgo 13 will not win the day with the power of friendship dressed up like a Japanese schoolgirl.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:48 pm to
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There's so much that if someone bitches about a given female character having boobs too big and she's in a story written for your males, the artists will likely just make them bigger.
What I love about the writers.

They don’t give a frick.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:55 pm to
Comics shot themselves in the foot with all the crossovers and empty promises of the 90s.

"Superman dead!"
"Wolverine gets his metal removed!"
"Batman gets his back broken!"
"The last Xmen issue!"

Every one a gimmick. I was younger then and got them all. Must have been most of my allowance on the Rise of Superman and Knightfall. Then Fatal Attraction (awesome and worth it) sucked us in. Only to be followed by phalanx Convenet and so many other crap Xmen crossovers.
Then the reboot. All the comics were over produced and not worth crap.


After that only the hard core bought comics. Comic stores started to disappear. All because of over saturation.



What's going on now. Where popular movie characters in comics are being rewritten as 'super-woke' is all just odd marketing. Your not getting long term readers.

The legacy comics are 50-80 years old. You think in 50 years people will read this version of spider man?

Just make a new xmen character that's the old way of being inclusive.

Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 5:13 pm to
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"Batman gets his back broken!"


Robot Chicken spoofed this and it was hysterical.
Posted by DesScorp
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 6:02 pm to
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Stout is only outraged by what Fox News and Breitbart tell him to be outraged about.


I see they’re handing out talking points at the bathhouse.
Posted by DesScorp
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 6:02 pm to
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Stout is only outraged by what Fox News and Breitbart tell him to be outraged about.


I see they’re handing out talking points at the bathhouse.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 7:08 pm to
So what's the point of having superpowers if you can't even walk. Seems like a pretty major disadvantage there.

Posted by bakersman
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:09 pm to
I just explained this to my wife. Her question is do her feet just dangle while she’s flying building to building I’m in tears
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

Comics shot themselves in the foot with all the crossovers and empty promises of the 90s.

"Superman dead!"
"Wolverine gets his metal removed!"
"Batman gets his back broken!"
"The last Xmen issue!"

Every one a gimmick.


And all the variant covers, hologram cards, special bagged versions (Death of Superman, for example), etc.

Such events are fine for character enrichment and growth, but you're right in that it became "the thing" for no more than shock value (and, of course, to push sales).

quote:

All because of over saturation.


Preach. At one point Spiderman had 4 or 5 titles running at the same time along with co-starring, guest-starring or cameos in other books.

quote:

What's going on now. Where popular movie characters in comics are being rewritten as 'super-woke' is all just odd marketing. Your not getting long term readers.

The legacy comics are 50-80 years old. You think in 50 years people will read this version of spider man?


This really is key. Marvel and DC have forgotten who their core audience is and are in complete denial in thinking other groups will make up for the traditional customers they've lost.

Comic books were generally created with young boys in mind, the sub-20yr old crowd. Some stabs were made at appealing to girls but they generally failed. No one was stopping girls from reading them, they simply didn't flock to them en masse like boys did (and still don't).

Marvel's jump into the superhero game changed things, Stan and Jack were making content for slightly older kids up into the mid-20s. DC ended up eventually following suit. From that point on the content was primarily geared at young males 25 and under (again, some attempts at appealing to females were made, but they mostly failed).

Flash-forward to the last decade or so and you have the domestic comic book industry begin moving into pushing more wide-appeal stories to attract more than just young males. While comic sales had dipped in the late 90s, they began dropping more quickly in the 00s, and that has continued through today. A lot of that has been the lack of those wide-appeal audiences coming back to buy comics each week or month, buying instead just a specific book which may have touched on some social issue (or, as has become increasingly the case, just writing glowing articles and social media posts on it without actually buying it).

The other big issue with comic books today is that comic book price have FAR outpaced inflation (the price for a comic in 1995 was ~$1.50, when accounting for inflation the price should be just under $3, even less than that if you go back to the 1978 price of $.35). They've generally moved out of price range of their original target demographic. Thirty years ago I could have taken $20 and bought over a dozen comics. Today it would be three or four.

This turning away more and more from the industry's traditional core audience for one which more and more isn't turning up for anything other than lip services is killing them and they seemed determined to keep believing that doubling down on it is the key to changing things (and DC isn't helping itself with its cosmic level ineptitude in self-management).
Posted by BigWillyMetry
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:42 pm to
Spider-Tran…Spider-Tran
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:42 pm to
Ugh. She’s white. So much for diversity at Marvel. They’re racist shitlords.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:51 pm to
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The "loyal readers" I was referring to were mainstream comics (Marvel & DC) readers in general.


What do you think those “mainstream comics readers” read?

I’m asking are you saying they don’t read the mainstream comics because the gay comics exist?

It’s not like Comics weren’t losing readers before the All New Lineups.

Posted by DarkDrifter
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2011
5726 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:54 pm to
Spiders with defective legs are typically are easy prey...

So this show should be called Spiderperson Meals on Wheels
Posted by texn
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 10:57 pm to
Handiman can kick Sun-Spider’s sss
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:13 pm to
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So what's the point of having superpowers if you can't even walk. Seems like a pretty major disadvantage there.



What? Peter Parker didn't always have his spider powers. He was just a nerdy dude then got bit by a spider which gave him his powers and even then he had to still be Peter Parker.

So I imagine she was a lesbian woman in a wheelchair. She got bit, received spider powers, but still had to be herself if she is trying to hide her superpowers.

She evidently carries her wheelchair with her so I would think that would be a give away, but if her powers are taken from her at some point then she is a lesbian woman in a wheelchair. Just like Peter Parker is a nerdy dude without his powers.
Posted by JasonMason
Memphis
Member since Jun 2009
4931 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:05 am to
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I’m asking are you saying they don’t read the mainstream comics because the gay comics exist?


No. I think the quality has gone to shite over the past 10 years. There are lots of indie comics outside of DC and Marvel that have sold well in that same time period and continue to.


Why are you so focused on sexual identity?
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:50 am to
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RogerTheShrubber


Did you build that trap by hand while you were building your time life home and going to school and working full time?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 1:30 am to
It's a fan creation... what is there really to be upset about?
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