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re: The lack of men going to college is truly astonishing
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:26 am to OneChanceFancy
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:26 am to OneChanceFancy
Except the pay for trades is shite unless you join a union or have connections to a highly-ranked company. Most people don’t want to break their backs for $16 an hour.
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:31 am to JasonDBlaha
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Except the pay for trades is shite unless you join a union
Apprentices start at $20, Journeymen $35+ locally, and they cant find enough workers.
The mines locally are not union, average pay is $120k a year.
Our operation is hiring, needs to hire 150 people and cannot do it. A damn dishwasher on one of our vessels can make $70k a year. Other staff can easily get to $100k.
People are incapable and terrified of actual work.
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:49 am to PetroBabich
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trade is great til your 50 and have a bad back, bad knees, ringing in the ears, and recurring neck pain. Then you'll wish you went to college and got a white collar job
Not all trades are manual labor. Plus if you know what you are doing you can open your own business.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:50 am to Bourre
Anyone thinking encouraging a capable young man to go into trades vs college needs to go spend 30min inside a supply house. Observe the broken down men and maybe ask them if they would recommend their own sons to go into the trades. 90% are going to say no. 75% are going to say hell no.
Also, as usual, people are throwing out incomes without saying if they include benefits or not. As if 401k, health/dental, PTO and year-end bonuses are somehow not a factor.
Also as usual, Roger is here throwing out numbers for the vacuum where he lives.
Also, as usual, people are throwing out incomes without saying if they include benefits or not. As if 401k, health/dental, PTO and year-end bonuses are somehow not a factor.
Also as usual, Roger is here throwing out numbers for the vacuum where he lives.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:52 am to diat150
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Not all trades are manual labor. Plus if you know what you are doing you can open your own business.
And I would hope a 50 year old has learned a few things in his lifetime of experience to not have to do the same backbreaking work he did at 25. There are opportunities for advancement in the trades. Not all have to own a business either.
People with zero motivation will struggle to make ends meet. Those with some drive to better themselves throughout their career will do better.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
Most of it depends on where you live. I can tell you for a fact that journeymen do not start out at $35 in a state like Louisiana where the COL is way below the national average. RN’s don’t even make that much in louisiana. In Louisiana, the starting salary for an RN fresh out of college is anywhere from $22-24 an hour. That isn’t shite for the amount of effort they put into nursing school with having to get certified.
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 11:03 am
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:58 am to Turnblad85
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nyone thinking encouraging a capable young man to go into trades vs college needs to go spend 30min inside a supply house. Observe the broken down men and maybe ask them if they would recommend their own sons to go into the trades. 90% are going to say no. 75% are going to say hell no.
Are they in better shape than the fatass sitting behind a desk most of the day?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:59 am to Ricardo
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People with zero motivation will struggle to make ends meet. Those with some drive to better themselves throughout their career will do better.
Sure.
And the same can be said about non-tradesman who went to college and got one or more degrees.
People on this site paint this rosy picture of tradesmen that with just an ounce of determination could be millionaires by 35 while going to college is essentially a permanent yoke around your neck and good luck making decent money ever.
Y'all love to compare the wages of plumbers with 15 years of experience versus a first year accountant.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:11 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Y'all love to compare the wages of plumbers with 15 years of experience versus a first year accountant.
I wouldn't do that.
There are a lot of people that bitch about their jobs. I know, shocker, but they would be absolutely miserable sitting in an office all day too.
That's to say that it's not all about money either. There are some great places to live in this country that don't require making six figures. A lot of blue collar jobs grant people more freedom and that has a value that often gets missed.
I know a lot of people in sales that make way more money than I do, but I also don't have to act like a schmuck all day either. I honestly don't know how they can sleep at night.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:11 am to Bourre
The root cause is that boys are getting passed up on High School.
The boys need to make the adjustment and up their motivation and maturity in order to compete. Cannot just let the girls take all the college spots.
The boys need to make the adjustment and up their motivation and maturity in order to compete. Cannot just let the girls take all the college spots.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:12 am to diat150
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fatass sitting behind a desk most of the day
Depends of if you think wornout knees, a tweaked shoulder, and the questionable health of lungs that have been breathing in an assortment dusts over the years is better than being fat.
And Fatass is his own fault for not exercising after he gets off from work (something which he actually has physical energy for at the end of the day). fricked joints are damn near job requirement for any tradesman that works hard.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:19 am to JasonDBlaha
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I can tell you for a fact that journeymen do not start out at $35 in a state like Louisiana where the COL is way below the national average.
I'm not sure thats really the case anymore, if you live in one of the larger cities in La.
New Orleans in particular. Has damn near poverty wages as the median yet housing is expensive.
46,188 median income, holy shite.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Sounds like you should get working
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:19 pm to AGGIES
We need a nation wide push to get retired engineers, business men, doctors, military personnel and accountants into the public education system. Solid male role models who have real world experience doing junk would go a long way. Would take a massive shift to make it happen, the current system is ran like a daycare.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:22 pm to Ssubba
The white collar engineering crowd can’t afford the blue shirt trade crowd and vice versa. Inflation is a race to the bottom.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:26 pm to Bourre
We visited 5 schools this summer too…which ones y’all go to?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:42 pm to Ssubba
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We need a nation wide push to get retired engineers, business men, doctors, military personnel and accountants into the public education system. Solid male role models who have real world experience doing junk would go a long way. Would take a massive shift to make it happen, the current system is ran like a daycare.
Go around and poll your average retiree and ask him if he wants to go to work at a public school for 8+ hours a day.
You people are delusional.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:46 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Why is this topic anchored lmao
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Apprentices start at $20, Journeymen $35+ locally, and they cant find enough workers.
The mines locally are not union, average pay is $120k a year.
Our operation is hiring, needs to hire 150 people and cannot do it. A damn dishwasher on one of our vessels can make $70k a year. Other staff can easily get to $100k.
That's great and all, but its in ALASKA which you somehow forgot to add.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 1:20 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:this is definitely true. Any male middle schooler who is rowdy and has trouble focusing for 60-90 minutes at a time is put on medication for some “learning disorder”.
The problem is k-12 education, it’s geared entirely toward how women learn best. It’s a real issue.
As if 12-14 yr old boys who can sit still and focus for hours at a time should be the norm.
It goes further than that.
Bad handwriting = you have disgraphia
Bad at math = discalcula
Poor grammar skills = dislexic
Make straight A’s but don’t take notes = ADHD
All of these impact male middle schoolers way more than females because generally females mature emotionally faster than boys. So these boys are told they have some issue that makes them poorly suited for school, they’re thrown on some kind of energy/personality reducing medicine for the next 6 years, and then they’re supposed to sign up to pay for 4 more years of it in college?
Why would they sign up for something that they’ve been told for nearly a decade they are bad at because of some disorder?
All because the 7th grade math teacher can’t run her class exactly how she wants if Jimmy isn’t sitting still and doing his homework in the correct color ink.
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