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re: The lack of men going to college is truly astonishing
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:10 am to Bourre
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:10 am to Bourre
It’s the wage gap between blue and white collar going in the opposite direction imo. Unless you are going to be a doctor, lawyer and in some cases engineer there are many blue collar jobs paying upper 5 low 6 figures that can be had without student loans.
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:10 am to Ricardo
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Compare an accountant's income vs a welder. They're probably pretty close.
I’d bet the average accounting degree makes more than the average welding while working less hours in a better environment
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:10 am to Bourre
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Is there a way to reverse this trend or do we need to totally revamp higher education?
Yes, kick a bunch of the soybois and chicks out if they are pursuing needless bullshite at taxpayer expense, those missing guys are welders, plumbers, electricians, or work in the oilfield, they don't need to go to school in order to make less money.
At what point did needlessly going to college become a good thing?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:16 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Hell, even most engineering and doctoring could probably be done by a kid with a couple years or medical trade school and a ChatGPT account.
I think trade jobs are undervalued but damn, peep this insecurity.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:19 am to Tantal
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I've got a friend that pulls down that much as an independent plumber, but that's in DFW.
How much does he charge per hour?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:23 am to Jorts R Us
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I think trade jobs are undervalued but damn, peep this insecurity.
The great white collar purge isnt far away with technology rapidly changing.
I will bet most people under the age of 30 will do gig work in their lifetime. Its going to suck, because the professional gig market is global.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The great white collar purge isnt far away with technology rapidly changing.
Blue collar work isn't safe either...
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:33 am to bayoudude
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there are many blue collar jobs paying upper 5 low 6 figures that can be had without student loans.
Damn trade school is free these days?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:35 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:35 am to Bourre
Hopefully it’s because they’re in trade school.
My son finishes welding school Aug 4 and has multiple employment opportunities.
My son finishes welding school Aug 4 and has multiple employment opportunities.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:36 am to Odysseus32
I thought apprentices made like 13-15 per hour. That’s enough for school and all living expenses?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:41 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:43 am to Locoguan0
What isn’t immediately obvious is that despite all the higher education, the men will still make exponentially more money than the women. Not because they have a pecker, but because they went to work doing what the elite view as below them. These highly educated women will butch and moan about wage disparity, but you don’t see any women working as plumbers and electricians.
The tradesmen will be those ones with the mansions going forward.
I have a son and I used to think that I would encourage him to go to college. Now I encourage him to learn to weld and draw in CAD. A cad guy with shop floor manufacturing experience can write his own check these days.
The tradesmen will be those ones with the mansions going forward.
I have a son and I used to think that I would encourage him to go to college. Now I encourage him to learn to weld and draw in CAD. A cad guy with shop floor manufacturing experience can write his own check these days.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:45 am to JohnnyKilroy
Are more young men actually going into trades or is this just OT conjecture?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:49 am to NIH
quote:of course not lol
Are more young men actually going into trades or is this just OT conjecture?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:49 am to tiggerthetooth
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There's a very simple way to know how much society actually thinks of the trades and its all about wages. Their wages imply everything you just said is bullshite. Spend a summer doing trades and you'll quickly realize why no one does it. Between all the small health risks/hazards and the way it breaks down your body overtime you can see why youths moved away from it. Their parents also likely discouraged it based on their experiences.
Well I didn’t say anything about wear and tear on the body or wages did I?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:49 am to Odysseus32
Don’t apprenticeships typically last 2-3 years or more?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:04 am to Odysseus32
quote:not all trade schools are free
You get that and you get free school.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:25 am to GreenRockTiger
BEJACT is free as long as you’re in the apprenticeship program. The only expense is a couple a text books, but that is worth the trade off IMO. Sure, pay does suck but at the end of the day, I’ve saved enough and am married so it won’t be an issue for us. Coming out of the back end of the apprenticeship, journeymen electricians are making 41.50-ish an hour right now in local 136. That doesn’t include the yearly pay increases, thats simply the 1st year starting pay. I mean yea sure it’s blue collar work, but being an inside wireman is a far cry from laying asphalt or doing literal back breaking work. Stick around for 20 years and you get a pension when you retire.
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 10:32 am
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