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re: Tenn. cops vs. Texas cops in active shooter situations.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:34 am to TackySweater
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:34 am to TackySweater
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Why don’t they just have a sniper take the guy out without needing anyone to get close?
This isn’t COD or a movie. It’s the real world. Jesus tap dancing Christ some of y’all
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:08 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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Damn this board is full of fricking idiots. Let me spell it out for all of you that don't understand cause and effect.
Was Uvalde terrible? Absolutely.
Did it fundamentally change law enforcements approach to similar situations? Absolutely.
Did that effect spread across the country? Absolutely.
Has law enforcement across the country adapted to the learnings provided by Uvalde? Absolutely
Would NPD have responded similarly in Nashville had Uvalde not occurred? Maybe.
Are police departments now more comfortable with early action, and letting those trained do what they need to? Absolutely
NPD showed up and performed. They were trusted by local, and state leaders to perform, having the necessary support to perform.
Rex Engelbert and Co performed admirably in every aspect of the response and deserve every bit of praise for limiting the actions of the obviously deranged wanna-be transvestite.
Guess we found a Texas cop.
Point stands SOP hasn't changed because of Uvalde. It has been to go in no matter what for years.
You say maybe they still go in. You are just trying to soften the blow on the shite response.You have nothing to back up that "maybe". Watch the videos of the sacks of shite using hand sanitizer and standing around laughing while kids die down the hall even though the outnumbered the shooter hundreds to one.
So I guess you're saying the Texas sacks of shite can serve as a bad example and save lives from their cowardness being on display. Congrats.
ETA: I understand cause and effect just fine.
Cause: Texas cops were cowards at Uvalde.
Effect: Kids bled out and died down a hall while they laughed and stood around playing on their phones and using hand sanitizer.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:10 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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Might be because they had their asses in a vice and knew they had to act or become the next uvalde.
More likely that they weren't distracted by the need to sanitize their hands
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:12 pm to AllDayEveryDay
Are you trying to say no cops ever ran into a bad situation to save others until the Texas pussies were caught on camera not doing their job and then lying about it?
I'm pretty sure that's innacurate
I'm pretty sure that's innacurate
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:21 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Only steers and queers come from Texas, Private Cowboy!
everything’s bigger in Texas, especially the cops’ pussies
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:22 pm to SpartanSoul
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But they had to cover the open ground and make their way to the second floor all while the POS had the high ground and several firearms.
I was really impressed with the body cam of the cop who had the pistol that walked up and moved the rifle from the dead perp. My man was giving clear, concise instructions. Even pushing one apprehensive cop forward at one point. Caught his corners and cleared empty space with urgency.
Especially once they got to the 2nd floor and came up on one particular corner, he stopped his point man, listened, heard shots and indicated "right" immediately upon hearing the suspect shooting. Solid training and good execution. They deserve some medals.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:36 pm to SpartanSoul
Some of it might be learning from cluster reaction in uvalde and seeing that the response of the Border cops was needed from start. Some of it might also be having actual cops in charge of scene and not a glorified manager of a school security team labeled as a police chief. School district police chief should have never been in charge of an active shooter situation or even its training, but was policy before this to justify being a police chief.
Ability of school districts to create police jurisdictions and their own forces needs to be reformed in Texas especially for an ISD like uvalde with handful of officers covering multiple school locations spread throughout district. I get why some in rural and spread out districts across multiple police jurisdictions feel the need to keep money in house due to not always getting what they pay for when paying police to place their officers as resource officers, but besides staffing and experience issues when dealing with something like a this they report to the ISD and probably helped cover up shortcomings in ability to handle situations and regularly not following door security on top of any other stuff possibly not happening that was required.
Not sure if the ulvade city police would have been any better if in charge from start with it being unclear if SWAT team was just for show or correctly trained, but the plan still should have had someone from city or sheriff’s department taking over from the start with school district police and chief shifting to assisting them.
Ability of school districts to create police jurisdictions and their own forces needs to be reformed in Texas especially for an ISD like uvalde with handful of officers covering multiple school locations spread throughout district. I get why some in rural and spread out districts across multiple police jurisdictions feel the need to keep money in house due to not always getting what they pay for when paying police to place their officers as resource officers, but besides staffing and experience issues when dealing with something like a this they report to the ISD and probably helped cover up shortcomings in ability to handle situations and regularly not following door security on top of any other stuff possibly not happening that was required.
Not sure if the ulvade city police would have been any better if in charge from start with it being unclear if SWAT team was just for show or correctly trained, but the plan still should have had someone from city or sheriff’s department taking over from the start with school district police and chief shifting to assisting them.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:12 pm to AllDayEveryDay
Uvalde cops failed miserably and should be run out of town
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:18 pm to SpartanSoul
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Tenn. cops vs. Texas cops in active shooter situations.
Nashville Metro PD vs Uvalde PD
Major Metropolitan PD vs small town PD doesn't have the same training or resources so not an equal comparison
Posted on 3/28/23 at 3:02 pm to Dragula
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Nashville Metro PD vs Uvalde PD
Major Metropolitan PD vs small town PD doesn't have the same training or resources so not an equal comparison
Point taken but it's not that simple.
There were hundreds of cops on scene at Uvalde from damn near every agency you can think of local,state and Feds.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 3:24 pm to SpartanSoul
They should never have to pay for another beer in their life. They ran in IMMEDITELY. No fear at all. Heroes.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 3:34 pm to Dragula
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Major Metropolitan PD vs small town PD doesn't have the same training or resources so not an equal comparison
Posted on 3/28/23 at 3:51 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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GreatLakesTiger24
So you think there would be no difference in PD training/response and resources between the City of Boston and say Pineville?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 3:53 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:we are talking about Uvalde.... you ever been there..... Its all mexicans.
Texas is full of cowboy boot fashionista pussies.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 3:54 pm to Dragula
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So you think there would be no difference in PD training/response and resources between the City of Boston and say Pineville?
Fed offers training to all departments, an offer Uvalde didn't accept, frick those cowards. They had all the cool tactical shite and did nothing with it. They can all burn in hell.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 3:56 pm to SpartanSoul
For one thing the Nashville PD didn’t have 5 different agencies meeting this cop at the door telling him to stand down. That’s where Uvalde went wrong. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Also they were giant pussies.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:02 pm to PillPusher
Everyone agrees Uvalde was a disaster and those cops should be in jail. It's embarrassing to good cops that would take a bullet for anyone.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:03 pm to LNCHBOX
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Fed offers training to all departments, an offer Uvalde didn't accept, frick those cowards. They had all the cool tactical shite and did nothing with it. They can all burn in hell.
Uvalde city police or the uvalde school district’s own police?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:08 pm to dallastigers
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Uvalde city police or the uvalde school district’s own police?
Anyone sitting around waiting for an hour while kids and teachers died
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:23 pm to LNCHBOX
Uvalde played out like a third-world red tape beauracratic nightmare. Probably some cultural issues involved there.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 4:23 pm
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