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re: Study finds carving up school districts worsens segregation. Case study Montgomery Co., AL
Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:52 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:52 pm to East Coast Band
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How is this different from any other major city?
Exactly. As suburbs sprout up and communities with money grow, they add schools. Many of those communities start out as single-HS areas, and are their own school district. As the auburn grows, so does the District. It runs parallel with ‘white flight’, which is still an issue today.
In Texas, the inner city school districts in Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio are pretty bad. But if you start looking at Katy ISD, Frisco ISD, and Northeast ISD in SA, you get a totally different picture. It’s not rocket science here. Those with money move to where the best places are to raise a family, and they are willing and able to invest more in the schools.
It’s interesting now, because some of the original suburban districts are starting to see their own effects from the money moving out.
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:21 pm to HailToTheChiz
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I went to those schools.
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which one?
Ross seems like a Trinity nerd to me.
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:23 pm to East Coast Band
Together Baton Rouge acts like St. George is responsible for taking care of schools that have no desire to care for themselves.
Life is short. People have the right to do what is best for themselves. frick everyone who thinks they’re owed something for refusing to help better their own life.
Life is short. People have the right to do what is best for themselves. frick everyone who thinks they’re owed something for refusing to help better their own life.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:33 pm to East Coast Band
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Erica Frankenberg, a Penn State University professor
lol i'm sure her study has no agenda 2it
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:36 pm to mulletproof
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Ross seems like a Trinity nerd to me.
MA > Trinity
Posted on 9/5/19 at 12:14 am to AbuTheMonkey
Leaving a county system seems to be a sign of growth for those that can.
Why stay in larger and spread out district if your city can support its own district?
Why stay in larger and spread out district if your city can support its own district?
Posted on 9/5/19 at 12:50 am to tylercsbn9
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Schools in Texas tend to be segregated as well.
Due to kids going to neighborhood schools.
For example my kids will go to Bridgeland High School
African American 9.73 %
Hispanic 20.00 %
White 57.57 %
Asian 8.24 %
Disadvantaged 12%
Then there is Cy Springs HS two miles down the road.
African American 30.25 %
Hispanic 50.89 %
White 9.97 %
Asian 6.43 %
Disadvantaged 62%
Is this really segregated in historical terms? Separate but equal segregation would not have had either districts’ diversity. Also, just like the black teacher mentioned in original post those that want to can end up moving into new districts.
Blacks who make these moves will be better off than those that stay and cry racism while basically implying they need non-black students to not leave to have a successful district. We all know educational success is not about race but more about which cultures & communities push, reward, & motivate the highest number of individuals to have a strong commitment to education. When districts lower standards for education & behavior and then start to vilify the first people of a particular race leaving for higher standards be it private or public you pretty much guarantee most of the rest of same race will be forced to leave whether they have the money or grades. Those blacks with a commitment to education will move as well.
Even the biggest white liberals I know who would probably push these splits as the new segregation send their kids to least diverse schools in their area as far as race, because they choose to live within the better districts they feel will educate their kids. They just deal with their guilt/hypocrisy by voting for and donating to Democrats and trying to stop others from doing what they do themselves.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 12:53 am to dallastigers
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Leaving a county system seems to be a sign of growth for those that can.
Why stay in larger and spread out district if your city can support its own district?
There's economies of scale at work and problems with the demand side of things with the way Birmingham has it structured.
Take a look at some of those districts posted earlier as examples of major suburban districts. Katy ISD's population is damn near approaching half a million people (a significant chunk of what would be Birmingham metro's population all on its own); Mountain Brook's school district is, what, 50,000 people? There are a limited number of good public systems in the Birmingham area, and they're all small, relatively exclusive based on the real estate, and landlocked. Is Mountain Brook going to be absorbing Irondale or Five Points South any time soon?
If a major company wants to relocate and/or expand into and/or start up in Birmingham, the school systems are a major fricking issue unless Pell City and Jasper suddenly get elite suburban school systems. How are they going to convince their mid- and lower-level employees to be in a city where there are a handful of good school systems with a very limited amount of space? It is perhaps the single-most important thing parents care about and is a significant reason why Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, and so forth have thrived - their public school systems, both urban and suburban, are structured very differently.
One look at the map of the Birmingham metro area compared to peer cities will tell you the story.
Again, I 1000% understand where people are coming from and why it happened the way it did. I am just saying that it's going to be the biggest hurdle, by far, of Birmingham's growth in the future unless the situation changes and quickly.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 1:02 am to mulletproof
Aw
He said he did time at public schools before graduating from a private school
Catholic High
quote:Nah
went to those schools.
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which one?
Ross seems like a Trinity nerd to me.
He said he did time at public schools before graduating from a private school
Catholic High
Posted on 9/5/19 at 4:33 am to East Coast Band
Montgomery might as well burn down before I give a frick about a study done from there.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 5:07 am to East Coast Band
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Study finds carving up school districts worsens segregation.
This isn’t new information.
Give people freedom. Let them choose. Individuals with time make better choices than government.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 5:24 am to East Coast Band
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. “It can help draw boundaries around white spaces,” said Erica Frankenberg, a Penn State University professor who is one of three authors of the study, published Wednesday in AERA Open, a journal of the American Educational Research Association. Those who study the creation of new school districts call the exits secession, conscious of the Civil War overtones that has for districts in the South.
Ok cool. Now go do the districts in NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, and Cleveland.
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Chapman, who is African American, also said she didn’t want her child to attend an overwhelmingly black school. “I wanted him to go somewhere that was more diverse,”
Uh-huh. Sure.
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y. In Louisiana, voters statewide must approve a constitutional amendment for each system.
Is this true? I thought only the people impacted had to vote
This post was edited on 9/5/19 at 5:26 am
Posted on 9/5/19 at 5:28 am to Geauxtiga
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Deseg doesn’t bring black education up, it brings white education down.
Some thoughts is that forced integration actually killed many decent to even well performing black schools too
Posted on 9/5/19 at 5:32 am to dallastigers
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We all know educational success is not about race but more about which cultures & communities push, reward, & motivate the highest number of individuals to have a strong commitment to education.
It’s not even about cultures, it’s about which parents
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:10 am to East Coast Band
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South is increasingly dividing white students from their black and Latino peers, reinforcing segregation.
The truth is, if you go around school districts and find the poorest performing high schools, their student bodies are majority Latino and African American.
The better performing schools, majority white and Asian.
This post was edited on 9/5/19 at 7:11 am
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:17 am to East Coast Band
I get annoyed when this discussion always turns to “it hurts the remaining people in the school district.”
No, the people remaining in the school district hurt the school district. The people who said “frick this shite” and left are ones who want to do something better about their kids’ education and typically were blocked from doing so in some form or fashion. Hence all the breakaway districts in BR and the proposed St George school district.
No, the people remaining in the school district hurt the school district. The people who said “frick this shite” and left are ones who want to do something better about their kids’ education and typically were blocked from doing so in some form or fashion. Hence all the breakaway districts in BR and the proposed St George school district.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:24 am to East Coast Band
Hmmmm.....it's almost as if some parents don't want to sacrifice their children to the Gods' of Political Correctness.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:28 am to oogabooga68
In the case of BR, the private school system is so entrenched now that these “breakaway” systems aren’t necessarily pulling exclusively from EBRPSS.
For example, Redemptorist died a slow death because a large chunk of its typical population, whites in north EBR, started going to Zachary and Central schools.
For example, Redemptorist died a slow death because a large chunk of its typical population, whites in north EBR, started going to Zachary and Central schools.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:37 am to Strannix
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Diversity isn’t our strength.....it’s the prime source of strife, class envy, pitting people against one another politically, etc. ad nauseum
This. Diversity for the sake of diversity is a weakness because it makes diversity the primary goal instead of quality.
This is what we've seen in the forcing of desegregation, a lowering the bar in both educational and behavioral standards for the sake of "diversity".
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:41 am to Bard
Where I grew up, there were absolutely no school buses for kids so that the elementary schools could still effectively be neighborhood schools with no federal interference. I used to think that kids taking the bus to school was a Hollywood trope. 
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