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re: Study finds carving up school districts worsens segregation. Case study Montgomery Co., AL
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:01 am to AbuTheMonkey
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:01 am to AbuTheMonkey
I don’t know or care much about Birmingham, but my reply was about leaving county districts. County districts outside of mostly rural, unincorporated, or spread out populations are the problem.
Though DallasISD does their best to push Charter schools to cover their declining ones Not sure people or companies move to city of Dallas because of schools they move because of the schools in surrounding areas including where part of city of Dallas is within PlanoISD or really directly to the specific surrounding areas even if it’s 20 miles away from Dallas.
A lot of growth happens far outside original stagnant cities. Districts north of Dallas in Collin county don’t directly match the cities’ boundaries, and I don’t know if there is a county district at all. When Plano got too big people shifted north to Frisco, McKinney, and Allen. During growth companies moved into Plano and instead of working in Dallas some started to work closer to home. Some working in Plano looked to Frisco to live, and Now some shifting further north to Prosper (ProsperISD actually crosses into part of city of Frisco). KatyISD’s growth is (or was) mostly in its unincorporated area that had a lot of people that worked in Houston before growth last couple of decades brought in more career jobs. It crosses county lines just like FriscoISD which also crosses city lines into Plano and McKinney. Katy also has had more growing pains because it’s not centered around a core of one also growing incorporated city (district has its own police force I think), but being allowed to be outside counties and cities has been better than being tied down to county or to city of Katy.
Not having to strictly follow city or county boundaries allowed for growth. Not constantly focusing on race allowed for growth. Making it hard to separate from county or original city and labeling these moves as racist or new segregation stifles it (as well as decades long desegregation cases), but that becomes better option than status quo in some areas that can’t better their kids’ education without forming a city and then a district matching city to break away from the county district. If that limits growth of main original metroplex than that’s on the people who refused to allow schools districts to adapt easily to population growth without constantly race baiting.
Though DallasISD does their best to push Charter schools to cover their declining ones Not sure people or companies move to city of Dallas because of schools they move because of the schools in surrounding areas including where part of city of Dallas is within PlanoISD or really directly to the specific surrounding areas even if it’s 20 miles away from Dallas.
A lot of growth happens far outside original stagnant cities. Districts north of Dallas in Collin county don’t directly match the cities’ boundaries, and I don’t know if there is a county district at all. When Plano got too big people shifted north to Frisco, McKinney, and Allen. During growth companies moved into Plano and instead of working in Dallas some started to work closer to home. Some working in Plano looked to Frisco to live, and Now some shifting further north to Prosper (ProsperISD actually crosses into part of city of Frisco). KatyISD’s growth is (or was) mostly in its unincorporated area that had a lot of people that worked in Houston before growth last couple of decades brought in more career jobs. It crosses county lines just like FriscoISD which also crosses city lines into Plano and McKinney. Katy also has had more growing pains because it’s not centered around a core of one also growing incorporated city (district has its own police force I think), but being allowed to be outside counties and cities has been better than being tied down to county or to city of Katy.
Not having to strictly follow city or county boundaries allowed for growth. Not constantly focusing on race allowed for growth. Making it hard to separate from county or original city and labeling these moves as racist or new segregation stifles it (as well as decades long desegregation cases), but that becomes better option than status quo in some areas that can’t better their kids’ education without forming a city and then a district matching city to break away from the county district. If that limits growth of main original metroplex than that’s on the people who refused to allow schools districts to adapt easily to population growth without constantly race baiting.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:04 am to fallguy_1978
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They are definitely referencing Central, Zachary and the potential St George schools in the BR area. Essentially it's suburban schools bailing on the parish wide school system.
The irony is those schools are actually diverse. Most EBR schools are not diverse at all.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:08 am to East Coast Band
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Erica Frankenberg, a Penn State University professor

Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:12 am to lsu13lsu
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The irony is those schools are actually diverse. Most EBR schools are not diverse at all.
Diversity to them just means less white people
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:14 am to East Coast Band
I one wants to say the obvious answer out of fear but thing that is not said in this is that by taking all the white kids out of the black schools, the newly formed white school will get much better grades and scores and the black and Latino schools will begin to steadily decline.
Don’t get mad at me for this. Just look at any city and look at the scores and grades from all black schools
Don’t get mad at me for this. Just look at any city and look at the scores and grades from all black schools
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:26 am to HempHead
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and the majority of the growth from population transfer will take place in Shelby County, and eventually, in Blount and St. Clair counties
It’s already starting. There are a number of kids from northern Jefferson County who should be attending Pinson Valley but their parents pay the transfer fee to let their kid go to either Oneonta or Southeastern in Blount County. I also know at least four families who moved from Pinson and Clay to Oneonta specifically so their kids could go to school there.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:28 am to TexasTiger90
quote:if he's not, I am. I got caught up in that crap in EBR when it happened. Went from riding my bicycle to my neighborhood school to being bused by 2 buses, over an hour away from home.
Are....are you saying desegregation should have never happened? The frick, man
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:28 am to Darth_Vader
Does Oneonta have good schools? Because almost every one I've ever met from there has left a lot to be desired in the intelligence area. They've all been older though.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:38 am to East Coast Band
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around Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Does the study mention that these school districts are now the best in the state?
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:40 am to The Spleen
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Does Oneonta have good schools? Because almost every one I've ever met from there has left a lot to be desired in the intelligence area. They've all been older though.
Oneonta is its own school system and is really good. It’s a small one school district. They’re ranked 19th in the state and 7th in the B’ham metro area.
USA Today
Blount County school system though isn’t that good, in fact Blount Co schools suck in general.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:41 am to Darth_Vader
Montgomery is an abomination of a city. Even in Alabama
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:45 am to Bama and Beer
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Montgomery is an abomination of a city. Even in Alabama
I have to travel there overnight for business a few times a year. And for the life of me I can’t fathom how anyone could stand to live there.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:50 am to Darth_Vader
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Oneonta
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B’ham metro area.
Probably a pointless debate, but calling Oneonta part of the Bham metro area is a bit of a stretch. It's damn near an hour away with little between the two areas once you get past Pinson.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:54 am to The Spleen
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Probably a pointless debate, but calling Oneonta part of the Bham metro area is a bit of a stretch. It's damn near an hour away with little between the two areas once you get past Pinson.
It’s closer than you think. It’s a 15 minute drive up highway 75 from Pinson to Oneonta. And it’s just over 30 minutes from Oneonta to the B’ham City limit.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:57 am to East Coast Band
Schools should be neighborhood based anyway.
No reason for busses to be passing my house at 8-9 at night still dropping off kids.
No reason for busses to be passing my house at 8-9 at night still dropping off kids.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:58 am to TexasTiger90
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Are....are you saying desegregation should have never happened? The frick, man
Looking back at how the public education system has tanked since desegregation, yes but not why you would think.
It wasn't the mixing of races that has tanked our education system but the result of going down the path of least resistance to achieve diversity over quality. As the stable black family unit continued to become more and more of a rarity from the 70's til today the educational and behavioral issues that came about because of that dissolution resulted in bars for those categories to be lowered in our schools because they took a back seat to diversity in the eyes and minds of not just the local and state administrations but of those in DC as well.
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:00 am to East Coast Band
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In Louisiana, voters statewide must approve a constitutional amendment for each system.
Which is why Louisiana has a metric frick ton of private schools.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:01 am to Darth_Vader
I've made that drive several times up 75, though it's been a few years. It's closer to 30 minutes from Pinson from what I remember. At least to downtown Oneonta. I mean I guess if you count the city limits right past Allgood, it's 15 minutes, but there's really nothing much of consequence for a few more miles from that point.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:03 am to Bard
That’s tied with another set of issues that even liberal stalwarts like Daniel Patrick Moynihan argued against in the 60s.
The Great Society programs incentivized people to get onto various welfare programs at the expense of destroying the family unit. It may not have been the direct intent to do that but it sure had the effect they wanted of there being a dependent class who would reliably vote for the people sending them money.
The Great Society programs incentivized people to get onto various welfare programs at the expense of destroying the family unit. It may not have been the direct intent to do that but it sure had the effect they wanted of there being a dependent class who would reliably vote for the people sending them money.
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