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Study finds carving up school districts worsens segregation. Case study Montgomery Co., AL

Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:04 pm
Posted by East Coast Band
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:04 pm
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Pike Road High School graduates its first senior class this school year, and leaders of this sprawling, semi-rural suburb of Alabama’s capital city extol the young community’s focus on education as one of its defining elements. “We are extremely proud of where we are,” said Pike Road Mayor Gordon Stone. “We’re competing well in every area that you measure from academics to athletics.”

Pike Road pulled out of the Montgomery County school district in August 2015, leaving the much larger district even more heavily African American than it was before. And Pike Road is not alone. A new study finds that the carving out of new school districts in the South is increasingly dividing white students from their black and Latino peers, reinforcing segregation. “It can help draw boundaries around white spaces,” said Erica Frankenberg, a Penn State University professor who is one of three authors of the study, published Wednesday in AERA Open, a journal of the American Educational Research Association. Those who study the creation of new school districts call the exits secession, conscious of the Civil War overtones that has for districts in the South.

The issue is particularly important, Frankenberg says, because the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1974 that courts couldn’t order desegregation across district lines.
That means that while an individual district may be able to find ways to more effectively integrate students, district lines usually pose fatal obstacles to such efforts. The study examines 18 districts created since 2000 across Alabama, around Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and around Memphis, Tennessee. The study found that an increasing share of segregation between black and white students was caused by district lines as opposed to clustering at specific schools within a district.

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Dawn Chapman, a former teacher in the Montgomery County schools, said she considered sending her son to the larger county system but was worried about its fit in terms of learning style. Chapman, who is African American, also said she didn’t want her child to attend an overwhelmingly black school. “I wanted him to go somewhere that was more diverse,” said Chapman, who enrolled her son at Pike Road’s elementary school. She said she worries about how students in the county school system will fare without exposure to children of other races. “It has a huge effect, knowing how to interact with people from different races,” she said.


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Beyond racial overtones, those who study secessions say there’s also a resource disparity. Voters in Pike Road agreed to a property tax increase, and the school is spending $10 million to renovate its high school, a historically black campus that it bought from Montgomery County for another $10 million.


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In Alabama, any city with more than 5,000 residents can walk out of its countywide school system with a vote of the city council. But in Tennessee, constituents had to persuade lawmakers to lift a ban to allow school systems to separate from a district that temporarily included Memphis and its surrounding county. In Louisiana, voters statewide must approve a constitutional amendment for each system.


Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:07 pm to
Diversity isn’t our strength.....it’s the prime source of strife, class envy, pitting people against one another politically, etc. ad nauseum
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 10:09 pm
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:08 pm to
Montgomery public schools are a disaster and I went to those schools. Total joke of a school system and kudos to parents that made moves to get their kids out of there.
Posted by Lawyered
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Dawn Chapman, a former teacher in the Montgomery County schools, said she considered sending her son to the larger county system but was worried about its fit in terms of learning style. Chapman, who is African American, also said she didn’t want her child to attend an overwhelmingly black school. “I wanted him to go somewhere that was more diverse,


Auntie Tom
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:09 pm to
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Those who study the creation of new school districts call the exits secession
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:10 pm to
They are definitely referencing Central, Zachary and the potential St George schools in the BR area. Essentially it's suburban schools bailing on the parish wide school system.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:10 pm to
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I went to those schools


which one?
Posted by PrivatePublic
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:10 pm to
Yesterday: "Black folk deserve they own graduation and black spaces!"
Today: "whites be segregating by movin!"
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:11 pm to
Rather not say tbh

ETA: Will say I graduated from a private school in Montgomery and my public school experience was not long lived. My mom and sister are both teachers in Montgomery so I still get the general play by play though
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Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:11 pm to
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In Alabama, any city with more than 5,000 residents can walk out of its countywide school system with a vote of the city council.


RMFT
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:11 pm to
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Montgomery public schools are a disaster and I went to those schools. Total joke of a school system and kudos to parents that made moves to get their kids out of there.

I graduated from one that I'm almost sure they are referring to in Louisiana's case.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:12 pm to
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In Alabama, any city with more than 5,000 residents can walk out of its countywide school system with a vote of the city council.


RMFT



That's why Birmingham-area schools are divided up into little fiefdoms, no?
Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:12 pm to
Deseg doesn’t bring black education up, it brings white education down.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:13 pm to
Expect to hear this shite from all of the Together Baton Rouge retards
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:14 pm to
Schools in Texas tend to be segregated as well.

Due to kids going to neighborhood schools.

For example my kids will go to Bridgeland High School

African American 9.73 %
Hispanic 20.00 %
White 57.57 %
Asian 8.24 %

Disadvantaged 12%

Then there is Cy Springs HS two miles down the road.

African American 30.25 %
Hispanic 50.89 %
White 9.97 %
Asian 6.43 %

Disadvantaged 62%
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:16 pm to
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That's why Birmingham-area schools are divided up into little fiefdoms, no?



I don't know when that law came in to effect, but yes, integration is the reason for the incredible amount of municipalities and school districts in JeffCo.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:21 pm to
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Deseg doesn’t bring black education up, it brings white education down.
you can say this about everything that involves I don't want to get banned
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:29 pm to
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That's why Birmingham-area schools are divided up into little fiefdoms, no?


I don't know when that law came in to effect, but yes, integration is the reason for the incredible amount of municipalities and school districts in JeffCo.


While I 1000% understand not wanting to send your kids to a Birmingham city school or let the people who run the city anywhere near a school system, I believe that the way the school system is laid out is a major hindrance to growth in the Birmingham area.

There are only so many spots at Mountain Brook, Vestavia, and the like and only so many homes in those municipalities. I am not going to pretend like I know the solution because I don't.
Posted by East Coast Band
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:34 pm to
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While I 1000% understand not wanting to send your kids to a Birmingham city school or let the people who run the city anywhere near a school system, I believe that the way the school system is laid out is a major hindrance to growth in the Birmingham area.

There are only so many spots at Mountain Brook, Vestavia, and the like and only so many homes in those municipalities. I am not going to pretend like I know the solution because I don't.

How is this different from any other major city?
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:47 pm to
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While I 1000% understand not wanting to send your kids to a Birmingham city school or let the people who run the city anywhere near a school system, I believe that the way the school system is laid out is a major hindrance to growth in the Birmingham area.

There are only so many spots at Mountain Brook, Vestavia, and the like and only so many homes in those municipalities. I am not going to pretend like I know the solution because I don't.

How is this different from any other major city?


Much more than any other metro area of a similar size, Birmingham is divided into a bunch of little fiefdoms each with its own school system. Take a look at some of Birmingham's peer cities (and some of the cities that have shot past it): having a population of 200,000 in the main municipality in a metro area of 1.1 million is not normal. There are a dozen sub-systems carved out of and separate from the county system. It's not a set up conducive to growth and is pretty unusual.
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