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re: Study finds carving up school districts worsens segregation. Case study Montgomery Co., AL
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:44 am to HempHead
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:44 am to HempHead
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Where I grew up, there were absolutely no school buses for kids so that the elementary schools could still effectively be neighborhood schools with no federal interference. I used to think that kids taking the bus to school was a Hollywood trope.
I grew up in rural North La and rode the school bus into high school. While our schools were segregated our buses were not. No one bitched about it and it wasn't until they were segregated (sometime after I graduated in 87) that they started having race issues at the school.
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:45 am to East Coast Band
Think of the insane amounts of money being wasted on administration with all these little municipal school systems instead of more consolidated county-wide districts.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:47 am to GetCocky11
As opposed to the large districts which piss money away but can’t show that the students are learning anything?
IIRC, EBRPSS has much higher spending per student than any other school district in or around Baton Rouge yet it is one of the worst in that area.
IIRC, EBRPSS has much higher spending per student than any other school district in or around Baton Rouge yet it is one of the worst in that area.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:53 am to GetCocky11
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Think of the insane amounts of money being wasted on administration with all these little municipal school systems instead of more consolidated county-wide districts.
The problem with systems that large is dealing with the expanded bureaucracy that comes along with it and kids getting lost in a crowd of thousands upon thousands.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:57 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Again, I 1000% understand where people are coming from and why it happened the way it did. I am just saying that it's going to be the biggest hurdle, by far, of Birmingham's growth in the future unless the situation changes and quickly.
Nothing will change, and the majority of the growth from population transfer will take place in Shelby County, and eventually, in Blount and St. Clair counties. You are correct in that the educational system failing to attract young, well-to-do families inhibits the overall growth potential of the city.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:05 am to East Coast Band
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Chapman, who is African American, also said she didn’t want her child to attend an overwhelmingly black school. “I wanted him to go somewhere that was more diverse,” said Chapman, who enrolled her son at Pike Road’s elementary school.
bullshite. Wanting diversity had nothing to do with the decision. If she thought her child would receive just as good an education in an equally safe area, she would have no problem sending him/her to the "overwhelmingly black school."
She knows that's not the case though, so she's trying to do what's best for her kid. Good for her. I just don't believe she's being honest about the reasons why she's doing it.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:06 am to HempHead
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Where I grew up, there were absolutely no school buses for kids so that the elementary schools could still effectively be neighborhood schools with no federal interference.
Vestavia?
That's where my kids went to school. There's no practical way for a dual employment household to raise school aged children there. Between getting them to school with no buses, after school activities, etc, etc, etc. It's very hard for a dual income household or a single parent household to raise children here. Add in the property taxes and it's damned near impossible.
My wife commented about it once. I explained to her that it was definitely by design. It was the school systems attempt to keep the riffraff out. Just don't come to me crying because Braxton and his pasty white buddies can't win anything in sports.
In a perfect world, the state would give me a voucher and I would have sent my kids to Indian Springs or Altamont. I begged my youngest to go there for high school. Stupid frick "didn't want to leave his friends".
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:08 am to Aubie Spr96
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Vestavia?
Limestone County.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:15 am to Aubie Spr96
Didn't Hoover schools do away with busing? I know they tried a few years ago and there was a huge uproar over it. They claimed it was over budget concerns, but anyone with a brain that is familiar with the changing demographics in certain areas of Hoover know it was a least partially a racial decision.
And Gardendale is still tied up in courts to separate from Jefferson County. Last I heard a judge had ruled against them, but I haven't been following it all that closely.
There's a growing movement for Oak Mountain to split off from Shelby County Schools. They'd first have to get a city formed though so it'll be years before that happens. I talked to some Oak Mountain parents about it and the main driver for it according to them is attracting better athletic coaches. I guess in the county school system, there's no leeway on supplementing a coach's salary. I told them that was a stupid reason to form its own school system.
And Gardendale is still tied up in courts to separate from Jefferson County. Last I heard a judge had ruled against them, but I haven't been following it all that closely.
There's a growing movement for Oak Mountain to split off from Shelby County Schools. They'd first have to get a city formed though so it'll be years before that happens. I talked to some Oak Mountain parents about it and the main driver for it according to them is attracting better athletic coaches. I guess in the county school system, there's no leeway on supplementing a coach's salary. I told them that was a stupid reason to form its own school system.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:23 am to The Spleen
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Didn't Hoover schools do away with busing? I know they tried a few years ago and there was a huge uproar over it. They claimed it was over budget concerns, but anyone with a brain that is familiar with the changing demographics in certain areas of Hoover know it was a least partially a racial decision.
They tried and claimed it was budgetary. I'm not sure about the validity of that, but I have heard they are suffering budgetarily due to decreased sales tax revenue.
I grew up in Hoover. We were poor and didn't have any alternatives. My brother and his friends still live there and are sending kids to school there. There's no way I'd send my kid to Hoover these days. It's basically a junior college.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:37 am to Aubie Spr96
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They tried and claimed it was budgetary. I'm not sure about the validity of that, but I have heard they are suffering budgetarily due to decreased sales tax revenue.
Yeah, I know the City is seeing decreasing sales tax revenue but that shouldn't really directly impact the schools. Unless the City cut off some funding to the schools due to that. I do think budgetary concerns were a factor, but I also think racial demographics played into it. Friend teaches in the Hoover system and she said the only bus riders at her school were black and Mexican kids. That was 5 or 6 years ago when she told me that.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:41 am to East Coast Band
I call bullshite on this study. Data from EBRPSS demonstrates that the new St. George ISD will be diverse, not segregated.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:49 am to FairhopeTider
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Ross seems like a Trinity nerd to me.
MA > Trinity
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:56 am to udtiger
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Expect to hear this shite from all of the Together Baton Rouge retards
That'll definitely be the excuse for the state not allowing the school district after you create a new city and all the layers of waste included in that. Worst of both worlds. Thank you racist, imbecile state legislators that shouldn't have a say in it anyway.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:57 am to The Spleen
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but that shouldn't really directly impact the schools.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of government big or small.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:58 am to East Coast Band
It's a damn shame what happened to Lee, JD, and Lanier. Those were fine schools at one time.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 9:03 am to East Coast Band
Did they really waste money on a study?
And race and diversity isn't the main factors in this. The problem is.. People don't want to have their kids bussed on the other side of the county (in EBRs case.. Parish) when there is a school 3 blocks from their house.
In reality it is about class more than race.
And anyone who thinks diversity is not good is an idiot, but like anything else its not a black or white situation.
This situation isn't the best example.
You think a wealthy black family who lives in an area where their kids school has parent participation, better teachers, etc, etc are okay of their kids suddenly have be bussed around the county so that they can go to a school that isn't know for providing the best education? No, they worked just as hard to get where they are, like anyone else so they can provide their kid with a better area to live that has better schools, etc.
And race and diversity isn't the main factors in this. The problem is.. People don't want to have their kids bussed on the other side of the county (in EBRs case.. Parish) when there is a school 3 blocks from their house.
In reality it is about class more than race.
And anyone who thinks diversity is not good is an idiot, but like anything else its not a black or white situation.
This situation isn't the best example.
You think a wealthy black family who lives in an area where their kids school has parent participation, better teachers, etc, etc are okay of their kids suddenly have be bussed around the county so that they can go to a school that isn't know for providing the best education? No, they worked just as hard to get where they are, like anyone else so they can provide their kid with a better area to live that has better schools, etc.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 9:24 am to Bard
quote:Are....are you saying desegregation should have never happened? The frick, man
This is what we've seen in the forcing of desegregation, a lowering the bar in both educational and behavioral standards for the sake of "diversity".
Posted on 9/5/19 at 9:37 am to OweO
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In reality it is about class more than race.
This is actually dead on. It comes across as racism because in a lot of areas in the South the lower classes are largely black and Mexican.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 9:55 am to East Coast Band
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