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re: Should we privatize all public schools?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:39 am to High C
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:39 am to High C
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The teachers aren't the problem, the students are the problem. Until students and parents are truly held accountable, schools will continue to "fail".
Here's how I saw it during my limited time as a HS educator.
Schools with low resources and poorly performing students attracted two types of teachers. Dedicated, young, and vibrant teachers who think they can save the world, and deflated teachers that had no better options
Unfortunately those two types do not work well together so what happens is the good ones bounce before their impact can truly be felt.
I 100% agree that until the onus is placed on the STUDENT to learn and not the TEACHER to teach we will never see an improvement in school performance.
Student's have to be encouraged to take control of their education and not just ride along for 13 years.
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Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:41 am to volod
We should just do whatever Mississippi is doing. Their shite is working.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:41 am to volod
It’s happening more than most people realize:
IDEA Public Schools, Inc (Individuals Dedicated to Excellence and Achievement Public Schools) is a not-for-profit that charter school operator based in Texas. It was formed in June 2000[1][2][3] and is headquartered in Weslaco, Texas.[4] In 2015 it served about 19,000 students in 36 schools, about 85% of whom were economically disadvantaged.[4]
There are now 4 in Louisiana.
IDEA Public Schools, Inc (Individuals Dedicated to Excellence and Achievement Public Schools) is a not-for-profit that charter school operator based in Texas. It was formed in June 2000[1][2][3] and is headquartered in Weslaco, Texas.[4] In 2015 it served about 19,000 students in 36 schools, about 85% of whom were economically disadvantaged.[4]
There are now 4 in Louisiana.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:55 am to GusMcRae
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IDEA Public Schools,
I have friends trying to get their kids into a STEAM school in Dallas and the waiting list is ridiculous apparently. Why aren't all Dallas ISD schools run with these kind of curriculums? I will never understand how something in such high demand isn't applied to a majority of schools in the same areas.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:56 am to volod
Yes public schools is more socialist than public health systems. The government is mostly a socialist system here and yes the government needs to get out of the education business.
In general I don’t think most types of insurance should be conducted by private enterprise and utilities should not be private industries either.
In general I don’t think most types of insurance should be conducted by private enterprise and utilities should not be private industries either.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:17 am to Tigeralum2008
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Student's have to be encouraged to take control of their education and not just ride along for 13 years.
Many aren't simply riding along, they're actively bucking against learning.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:23 am to volod
Parents bear the responsibility to educate their children. Schools only facilitate that education.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:24 am to volod
Education is the only way to break the cycle, doing what you’re suggesting would only further frick the have nots who could care less about educating their kids.
Forcing them to send their kids to good public schools allows a small percentage to actually become educated and contribute to society.
We really need to invest more in education, but politicians know the have nots don’t care about their children, so cutting education and funding then latest bullshite of the weekend handout program always happens, leaving the whole community worse off in the long run.
Forcing them to send their kids to good public schools allows a small percentage to actually become educated and contribute to society.
We really need to invest more in education, but politicians know the have nots don’t care about their children, so cutting education and funding then latest bullshite of the weekend handout program always happens, leaving the whole community worse off in the long run.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:25 am to volod
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For poor areas, you could use state government funding. But it needs to be lean. Just enough to cover the essentials of education.
So. In your new education world, poor kids just get basic needs met, no additional services or programs because, well, they come from a poor household?
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Students from these schools could test out of a poor school and be bused to a better school via a scholarship program.
Who is paying for these buses and scholarships?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:28 am to High C
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Many aren't simply riding along, they're actively bucking against learning.
agreed. It is far too acceptable for students to put their heads on their desks, to ignore assignments then beg for makeups when grades come due, and for parents to indict teachers as ineffective when they have not be involved in the daily education of their precious chosen one.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:30 am to StinkBait72
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Because I don't live in the bubble of St. George
Because St. George was fighting for more private schools right?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:30 am to volod
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EDIT: why am I getting so many downvotes for pushing capitalism?
Because I think some people aren't understanding how you are using these terms.
Are you suggesting we move to an all-charter school model? i would completely support that concept.
If you are suggesting we remove all public funding from K-12 education... you are going to end up with a bunch of kids who don't get an education. Which has massive societal pitfalls and basically officially moves us to a caste society.
The biggest, most major public school issue I see is this.
At some point, we decided that all school administration and school teaching required the same skill set, which is absolutely insane.
We need to hire good teachers, support them, pay them well, and encourage them to master their craft and stay in the classroom.
Every school should move to a President / Principal model, or a CAO (Chief Academic officer) and COO (Chief operating Officer) model.
The Principal / CAO should be someone with an educational teaching background, but their purposes should be improving educational outcomes by working with teachers and curriculum.
The President / COO should be a person with business / management experience. They should handle contracts, janitors, building, food, athletics, stats, etc.
Most public school principals never have the time to do the things they are good at, because they are forced to do so many things that they have no business doing, and they do it terribly.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:32 am to volod
We should privatize damn near everything from the government!
The government is the high cost producer in almost every single industry.
The government is the high cost producer in almost every single industry.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:33 am to wutangfinancial
What the frick is a STEAM school? Throwing art in their basically makes the curriculum a standard, but select or magnet school.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:33 am to volod
quote:How can a school system that's government funded be considered capitalist?
You say "America is not a socialist country" but as soon as a capitalist solution is proposed to a public sector that goes completely out of the window.
Charter school system is what you're looking for. They have potential great if they're overseen by a competent school board. Not like Orleans Parish that recently had a charter school get caught falsifying grades and end up with seniors not actually having the proper credits to graduate and having to go to summer classes to be able to start college in the fall.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:37 am to volod
How is it that we plan on identifying teachers that perform best or those who are ineffective? I’m all for a mode that pays teachers based on effectiveness and where some teachers could make good money, but I just don’t know how you measure that.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:39 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Throwing art in their basically makes the curriculum a standard, but select or magnet school.
I haven't done any research, but that is not the story I've been told. It's a highly scientific, math based curriculum and they throw the arts in there for better rounded students. There's nothing wrong with art classes in a middle school.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:42 am to Tiger Prawn
Will "schools" even be necessary in the future? Technology is getting to the point that people are learning in different ways. Be cheaper installing educational systems in every home. Make teachers mobile or just have periodic check ins at local libraries. Other than the social aspect, why keep them around? Honestly its just glorified daycare for lots of people..
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:44 am to volod
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Capitalism is normally the best solution.
Not always. Capitalism gave us the McDonalds Hamburger which is shite.
It also gave us the Popeyes Chicken Sandwich which is dope.
You willing to take that kind of a chance with our children?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:45 am to Tigeralum2008
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The reason I am against straight up "for profit" schools is you will see them become diploma factories much in the same way we see the private "For Profit" online universities.
We are already headed that way for an entirely different reason. When schools are beholden government for funding, and that funding is primarily dependent upon test scores, all sorts of corners are cut.
When we started placing more importance on performance on tests than on providing a good, well-rounded education, schools started to fail. Instead of buying the diploma, we are buying test scores. Those scores are all that matter, and if it isn't on those tests, the children don't need to know it.
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