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re: Russia invading Ukraine may be imminent

Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:05 am to
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
19162 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:05 am to
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If Biden was useful, he'd lean on NATO to make some kind of assurances that they would not bring Ukraine and the Baltics in.
The Baltic states are in NATO already
Posted by ThatTahoeOverThere
Member since Nov 2021
4959 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:06 am to
I admire Russia. They’ll fight for the best interest of their country, where Zionist in this country look for ways to destroy it.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17709 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:07 am to
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The only problem with that is the Ukrainians probably want to be their own independent country and not live as second class citizens like they were under the Tsar/Soviets



From what I've read there is a very large rift within the country. Western Ukraine is very pro-Europe with Eastern being pro-Russia.

The Ukrainians have been fighting the Russians for almost a decade in the current border proxy war. I think that bodes well for their willingness to fight for the entirety of their country.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37942 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:08 am to
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Yeah arming Ukraine seems like literally lighting money on fire. They will probably fight longer than Afghanistan did, though.


it is

i mean if ukraine cared so much they would have been spending since 2014 to prevent it. although they have raised defense spending they still dont spend more than russia in % gdp and still not even spending 5%.

you know if they cared so much they would atleast spend the allocated money

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Budget and Defense Industry
The 2018 Law on National Security required that at least
5% of gross domestic product (GDP) be spent on security,
with 3% of the total going to defense. Economic realities, however, often mean defense spending in real terms is lower (around 2.5% of GDP). Ukraine’s 2021 defense budget is 117.6 billion hryvnia($4.2 billion), 127 million hryvnia($4.6 million) less than 2020’s budget.

Additionally, Ukraine’s defense budget allocations are split between funds necessary to maintain the military and funds to support its ambitious reform program.


tired of these countries not even spending their budgetted money or the money they promised in any agreement with us....then expecting us to come to the rescue....frick that.


and frick anyone that thinks its ok, like the ones in this thread. frick nato and the UN too.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61827 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:10 am to
When Putin looked across the field and saw Biden, invasion then became imminent.

One sight of him is only encouragement to our enemies to do as they will.


Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32668 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:10 am to
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I admire Russia. They’ll fight for the best interest of their country, where Zionist in this country look for ways to destroy it.


I’ve noticed a rather strong correlation between Americans that are fond of Russia and anti-Semitism. Do you notice that too?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37942 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:12 am to
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I don’t know about that. I don’t know who outside of Putin might know that.



they have 100k on the border and US intel says they are training 175k reservist that they called up last year. You dont do those things unless you are all in.

bottom line is if they want ukraine, there is nothing ukraine or nato can do about it unless we go all in.

quote:

You serious?


and yes im serious. Im talking about today not 1953 stalins ussr. Why is ukraine more of an ally than russia

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There’s a long history of this.



not since the ussr fell. so again tell me how you would feel if they did that?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476126 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:14 am to
Yeah this definitely seems like an EU problem than a US problem.

They'll probably respond with a moderately-worded letter.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37102 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:15 am to
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I’ve noticed a rather strong correlation between Americans that are fond of Russia and anti-Semitism. Do you notice that too?




What?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37942 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:17 am to
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I’ve noticed a rather strong correlation between Americans that are fond of Russia and anti-Semitism. Do you notice that too?



FTR im not found of Russia, i am indifferent. I dont live in the cold war lense and understand it was overhyped bullshite on both sides to make money and gather power for politicians.

I find the whole zionist thing is way over blown as is the anti-semitism, atleast in the US. Its a very fricking real thing in europe and fricking weird how they hate jews, very fricking weird.

I do think our constant involvement in Isreals affairs actually hurts isreal. I do not like isreal pulling some of the spying bullshite they do on us, but i also dont like the spying bullshite we do to them or europe for that matter either.

but go ask the average american if they truely care about what is happening with Russia or Isreal and most could give two shits. they have their own everyday problems to deal with like paying bills, getting kids to practice, helping kids with homework, answering emails, cooking dinner etc. by the end of the day they just want to chill, scroll tic tok for a few min, zone out on a netflix drama and go to sleep. its why so many are overweight.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24225 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:22 am to
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You and I both know debt is meaningless these days.

Jesus H...
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37942 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:22 am to
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Yeah this definitely seems like an EU problem than a US problem.

They'll probably respond with a moderately-worded letter.



i mean who didnt see this coming

- nato members interfer in ukraine election(its ok when we do it right? just not when they do)

- european nato members break promise and approach ukraine in joining NATO so they can put missle defense there

- Putin gets pissed. Rightfully so as this would be akin to China putting missle defense in the philippines. or russia putting them in Canada. we would be fricking pissed too.

- putin having problems at home, amasses troops. either he gets the decrees he wants from nato in writing or he is going to invade and go all out and kick arse as he needs popularity boost. either way he wins.

but yet liberals here are screaming we have to do something, doesnt matter what just something.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32668 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:27 am to
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bottom line is if they want ukraine, there is nothing ukraine or nato can do about it unless we go all in.


Yeah but what does Putin really want?

quote:

Why is ukraine more of an ally than russia


Because Russia seeks to destabilize and weaken the US. They been doing this for a very long time. They are not friends. Hard to see anyone ignore this unless they’re really looking for a reason to like Russia.

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so again tell me how you would feel if they did that?


If we were trying to invade a neighboring country? I’d expect them to try the same.

Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73473 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:29 am to
Russia ruled Ukraine when we were still a British Colony.

Russia ruled Ukraine when we fought our Civil War.

Russia ruled Ukraine when we fought two world wars.

It didn’t effect us then and it won’t effect us now, at least unless we decide to let it. Bottom line is what goes on between Russia and Ukraine is between Russia and Ukraine.
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
19162 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:29 am to
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wait so its ok when NATO does it? but not ok for russia to fight back? WTF??
Yes because I want to get the edge on this country’s enemies. On a national level for instance would you rather cooperate with Dems or crush them under your heel? Makes no sense to play fair.
quote:

European problems are european problems, not ours.
It becomes our problem when first world whites start getting killed. How it is
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38130 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:31 am to
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I’ve noticed a rather strong correlation between Americans that are fond of Russia and anti-Semitism. Do you notice that too?


I mean the Protocols of the Elders of Zion did come out of Russia.
Also, you have to love that the same people who are paranoid about communism also idolize a guy who called the breakup of the USSR a geopolitical tragedy and wants to restore it.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 10:33 am
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77205 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:35 am to
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Since 2016, they became global Bond villains and the major scapegoat of our political leaders.


China has been the biggest meddler in our politics and society. The whole Russia thing was a red herring to say “Hey look over here not over there”.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87255 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:36 am to
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I’ve noticed a rather strong correlation between Americans that are fond of Russia and anti-Semitism. Do you notice that too?



Normal adults who like what America was and like the idea of a strong leader who puts America first will undoubtedly have some grudging respect for Putin.

The intelligent ones will realize people in Russia generally aren't living their best lives under Putin, that Putin is an authoritarian, and that the minimal positives don't outweigh the negatives.

The dumb ones will go all "rah rah Russia" because he appeals to their base instincts - tough, patriotic, etc., everything else they'll gloss over.

Of course, on the opposite end of the spectrum you have weak she-men who hate Putin but won't say a disparaging word about someone like Chavez, Castro, etc.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37942 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:41 am to
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Yeah but what does Putin really want?


a buffer between russia and nato. he doesnt want missle defense systems on his border. he has made that clear.

its not like any of this was happennig until we started messing with ukraine elections. then our european "allys" approached ukraine about nato.

the first action of interfering with their politics, set off the crimea invasion because Russia was not going to be cut off from the black sea.

the second, talking to ukraine about nato....has set this off.

quote:

Because Russia seeks to destabilize and weaken the US


we do the same damn thing to them and have for just as long as they have and put way way more money to it. since the fall of the ussr we have done way more to them then they have to us. way more.

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They are not friends.


as much or more our friend than ukraine. ukraine is nothing but a money laundering place for the political elite. They provide shite economically, to our defense etc. nothing

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Hard to see anyone ignore this unless they’re really looking for a reason to like Russia.


I dont like russia. i do admire the will and toughness of their people and their rejection of woke bullshite but overall their politcal class is pieces of shite that are only there to amass a fortune and power, just like 80% of ours. All at the expense of the everyday citizen in both countries.

quote:

If we were trying to invade a neighboring country? I’d expect them to try the same.


hold on....thats essentially what our european "allies" tried to do. they essentially tried to take ukraine into nato which is practically the same thing as invading.


so if we had enough of the mexican cartels and said we are invading.....russia gives tanks, anti air craft weapons, surface to air missles, shoulder fired rockets etc.....you wouldnt be mad at russia? BULL frickING shite!!!!
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 10:48 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37942 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:46 am to
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Yes because I want to get the edge on this country’s enemies. On a national level for instance would you rather cooperate with Dems or crush them under your heel? Makes no sense to play fair.



explain how russia was our enemy in the 21st century. what did they do to suddenly become our enemy. and if you are fine with use getting to the edge of our so called enemies then you hsould be ok with them fighting back.

your bullshite diatribe abotu dems and crushing them makes no sense. I want the our country to follow the constitution as originally written even if it means my side loses. period. because if we follow the constitution as originally written.....me as an everyday american....wins.

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It becomes our problem when first world whites start getting killed. How it is



oh because you say so, it must be. frick that. bottomline, is if the europeans cared so much, then why do they not meet their defense spending obligations? You cant answer that so you just come with some bullsht about that is "HOW IT IS"


how about you stop and think critically about this instead of just swallowing the propaganda? is that too much to fricking ask?
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