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re: Russia invading Ukraine may be imminent
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:26 am to lsu777
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:26 am to lsu777
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fact is....you are happy to send others and other peoples kids to die but you are not willing to go yourself nor send your kids to.
Who has argued that we should send American troops to fight in Ukraine?
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:26 am to Abstract Queso Dip
quote:Our politicians are so intertwined with the Chinese and Russians that that will never change.
So we should just sit back and let our corporations get hacked and tell them sorry you are just gonna have to deal with it. I think that is bad policy. The more we let Russia and China harbor criminals the more we look weak and it will only progress. We have to take a hard stance against this otherwise it happens more frequently and gets worse. That doesn't mean we launch weapons.
You are asking them to cut off their golden geese.
That is why I say that our problems are here, at home, with our own politicians, not with China and Russia.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:27 am to Abstract Queso Dip
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So we should just sit back and let our corporations get hacked and tell them sorry you are just gonna have to deal with it.
What does that have to do with Ukraine?
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The more we let Russia and China harbor criminals the more we look weak and it will only progress.
They either will or they won’t, but the mindset that we are capable of either letting or not letting them do so is part of the problem. The time of the US dictating it’s preferences to the other major nations is over.
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The argument is the same for letting these thugs out of jail that have multiple arrests including assault with a deadly weapon. DA's let them run free and now they murdered someone. By letting Russia harbor criminals it is only going to escalate until it is too late and we or our allies have a war on the ground with them.
Again, none of this has anything to do with Ukraine, and Russia’s clandestine cyber attacks are not at issue in this thread. Of course that has to be addressed.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:28 am to Decatur
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Who has argued that we should send American troops to fight in Ukraine?
Anyone who has used or thought the words “do something” or “proxy war” in this thread.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:30 am to Scruffy
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Your ideological betters and political leaders have backed every move Russia has made over the previous 12 years.
Blocked recent and previous sanctions against them and essentially signed off on Russia claiming Crimea.
Spare us your righteous indignation.
His buddy Biden signed off on a Russian pipeline into Europe that Trump blocked to supply Germany with almost all of their energy because Russia is the number one enemy. Imagine thinking that this makes sense
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:31 am to Abstract Queso Dip
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The more we let Russia and China harbor criminals the more we look weak and it will only progress. We have to take a hard stance against this otherwise it happens more frequently and gets worse. That doesn't mean we launch weapons.
im fine with that so long as we dont launch weapons or boots on the ground at all.
if you want to kill the snake that is china and hurt russia, its not that hard. and we sure as frick are going about it the wrong way, especially liberals.
A) cut off all trade with china, period.
B) build nuclear to supply all electricity in the US and ramp up Natural Gas to supply europe completely. Cut trade with russia off completely.
both regimes fall within a decade if you do those things. In the mean time you allow Japan to rearm, you tell Skorea to ramp and taiwan to start fricking spending. Europe has 10 years to rebuild the military.
within a decade of starting this plan.....both china and putin fall. now you need to be ready to deal with the fall out. Cause there will be. Even if neither act out (they prolly will) then you will at a minimum have a humantarian crisis. You have to let that play out without getting involved. you either want regime change or you dont.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:32 am to lsu777
People who didn't live through the Cold War don't have an appreciation for how big containment of Communism was in winning that "war".
Problem is we tried the same approach with Radical Islamists and it didn't work because the American People don't feel like they are a threat to our daily life.
The military is viewed in the same vein as our police today: we take them for granted until we need them. A lot of people don't understand that fighting overseas is part of the effort to keep fighting out of our hemisphere, and ultimately off our homeland.
Now, whether we need to be involved in Russia vs. Ukraine, I don't know. I don't think Putin is interested in world domination like his communist predecessors were. However, we learned in WW2 that appeasement doesn't work and isolationism is impossible in today's global economy. Global interests are now our interests because we buy and sell around the world. Unfortunately, I have no faith in our current administration to make the right decision in any confrontation across the globe.
Problem is we tried the same approach with Radical Islamists and it didn't work because the American People don't feel like they are a threat to our daily life.
The military is viewed in the same vein as our police today: we take them for granted until we need them. A lot of people don't understand that fighting overseas is part of the effort to keep fighting out of our hemisphere, and ultimately off our homeland.
Now, whether we need to be involved in Russia vs. Ukraine, I don't know. I don't think Putin is interested in world domination like his communist predecessors were. However, we learned in WW2 that appeasement doesn't work and isolationism is impossible in today's global economy. Global interests are now our interests because we buy and sell around the world. Unfortunately, I have no faith in our current administration to make the right decision in any confrontation across the globe.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:33 am to Indefatigable
I don’t think that’s the same thing. There are many things that can be done besides sending troops into Ukraine.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:35 am to Decatur
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Who has argued that we should send American troops to fight in Ukraine?
every single person that said this
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Anyone who has used or thought the words “do something” or “proxy war” in this thread.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:37 am to lsu777
See above.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:37 am to Decatur
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I don’t think that’s the same thing. There are many things that can be done besides sending troops into Ukraine.
Ok, what do you suggest we do if Russia throws 100k troops into Ukraine?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:40 am to upgrayedd
Keep sending military weapons and supplies.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:41 am to southpawcock
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Why? Going to meet your future wife?
I’m going to Poland and Ukraine to see Auschwitz and Chernobyl.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:41 am to Decatur
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Keep sending military weapons and supplies.
Look out, here comes Gen Patton with the brilliant strategy
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:47 am to upgrayedd
Defense contractors are going to make a fortune.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:48 am to Dawgwithnoname
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People who didn't live through the Cold War don't have an appreciation for how big containment of Communism was in winning that "war".
is russia communist and still have death camps? did i miss something?
and in the end....although those were evil regimes, what you are saying is only what the MIC wanted you to think. Tell me how USSR being in exsistance affects normal every day american.
it doesnt.
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Problem is we tried the same approach with Radical Islamists and it didn't work because the American People don't feel like they are a threat to our daily life.
or maybe its because we cant be the worlds police and the reason they attacked us is because we keep sticking our fricking nose in their business. and in the end radical islamists are not a threat. only threat is to the MIC if we arent in constant war
congrats on swallowing the propaganda hook line and sinker. I can tell you never fought in the war on terror thats for damn sure.
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The military is viewed in the same vein as our police today: we take them for granted until we need them. A lot of people don't understand that fighting overseas is part of the effort to keep fighting out of our hemisphere, and ultimately off our homeland.
i served, i promise i dont take them for granted.
#1 police are not there to protect you, they are there to investigate after the fact
#2 police are just he lowest rung of government.
#3 back the blue is for the intellectually ignorant who lack critical thinking skills. you back the blue when they deserve to be backed and hold them accountable with need be. granted they deal with shitty people day in and day out, still doesnt give them a pass
#4 fighting overseas has nothing to do with holding off fighting in our homeland. frickign zero. EXPLAIN THIS bullshite????
Explain how russia, iraq, frick even china with their 3 aircraft carriers combined are suddenly going to come over here and fight.
congrats on being the biggest fricking retard in this thread with that bullshite statement. Like i said, swallowed the MIC propaganda hook, line and sinker.
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Now, whether we need to be involved in Russia vs. Ukraine, I don't know. I don't think Putin is interested in world domination like his communist predecessors were. However, we learned in WW2 that appeasement doesn't work and isolationism is impossible in today's global economy. Global interests are now our interests because we buy and sell around the world. Unfortunately, I have no faith in our current administration to make the right decision in any confrontation across the globe.
no its not. and if you feel that away hop to and volunteer. Putins communist predecessors were not interested in global domination. not since stalin have they been that way. I mean he died in 1953. time to get the frick over it.
and ww2 appeasement had nothing to do with us. that was a european war until they declared war on us.
as far as the global economy and global interests....jesus could you buy into the globalist bullshite anymore?
your arguements are pretty much every piece of propaganda the globalist have ever put out.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:52 am to Decatur
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Keep sending military weapons and supplies.
why? either we are in or we are out. doing that will do zero good.
go ask the average american if they want to pay extra taxes to supply ukraine with weapons and they will say no.
the russians are 100% in if they invade and they are rolling with a 100-200k troops. we are not making a differnce with any weapons unless we are goign to start flying sorties and using our advanced weapons controlled by us to take out full columns.
half assing does nothign be possibly slow russia down.
again though....what does ukraine provide that makes them a better ally than russia?
what if russia did what you are suggesting when we were going into afganastan or especially iraq? how would you feel? because that is what you are suggesting we do.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:53 am to lsu777
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half assing does nothign be possibly slow russia down.
Yeah arming Ukraine seems like literally lighting money on fire. They will probably fight longer than Afghanistan did, though.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:57 am to WestCoastAg
The only problem with that is the Ukrainians probably want to be their own independent country and not live as second class citizens like they were under the Tsar/Soviets
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:02 am to lsu777
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the russians are 100% in if they invade
I don’t know about that. I don’t know who outside of Putin might know that.
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again though....what does ukraine provide that makes them a better ally than russia?
You serious?
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what if russia did what you are suggesting when we were going into afganastan or especially iraq? how would you feel? because that is what you are suggesting we do.
There’s a long history of this.
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