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re: Russia invading Ukraine may be imminent
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:28 am to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:28 am to mmmmmbeeer
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We had boots on the ground in both of those wars.
And this one will end up that way too if we get involved. Starts with arms and training, then the other side does something to us that we will consider a first strike and then we send in a bunch of troops. Or even worse, we send in a small amount of troops just to stabilize things. then the number steadily grows over the next decade. Stop me if you've heard this one before....
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Our most recent proxy war, Afghanistan in the 80's, was a resounding success
Training and arming the guys we would fight later for 2 decades is not a resounding success.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 11:30 am
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:32 am to mmmmmbeeer
Ehhh, I’m gonna concede my point here because both of my grandfathers were USAF in Korea doing radar and maintenance, and it would be chickenshit of me to say those weren’t important jobs.
But it still remains that it’s a lot easier to be gung-ho about sending boys into combat when you haven’t been in the shite yourself.
And I would have been in Afghanistan but an accident took my eye before it happened.
But I’m not advocating sending young men to their death for no reason either.
But it still remains that it’s a lot easier to be gung-ho about sending boys into combat when you haven’t been in the shite yourself.
And I would have been in Afghanistan but an accident took my eye before it happened.
But I’m not advocating sending young men to their death for no reason either.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:34 am to fr33manator
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But I’m not advocating sending young men to their death for no reason either.
Why?!? I mean all we need is one more “resounding success” proxy war, and then Russia will magically cease to exist somehow.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:34 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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And this one will end up that way too if we get involved. Starts with arms and training, then the other side does something to us that we will consider a first strike and then we send in a bunch of troops. Or even worse, we send in a small amount of troops just to stabilize things. then the number steadily grows over the next decade. Stop me if you've heard this one before....
Rinse and repeat
People like mmhhhbeer will always have some excuse to be involved in some proxy war. It will never end with them
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:39 am to Indefatigable
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Why do you postulate this bullshite instead of come to the obvious, common sense conclusion? He wants a buffer state there.
He isn’t bluffing because he was never going to invade Ukraine. Only the western media thinks that he is, or that he ever intended to. It’s a diplomatic chess game on arms negotiations and NATO deployments in Eastern Europe.
he will ignore this
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Well of course not, it’s inconvenient for your ridiculous 1960’s good vs evil worldview.
this too
he is not going to critically think about this as it might mess up his good vs evil worldview
i want to ask him though....why do i as the average american guy who served a long arse time ago and now is nothing but the typical surbaban dad....care if russia takes ukraine or not?
how does it effect me or how will it in the future?
for most of modern history last 100 years, russia has controlled ukraine. at no point since the ussr fell have i thought to myself......frick i hope russia doesnt go back and take ukraine....would be terrible for my day to day life.
as a vet you should know better. we were used as fricking pawns in iraq. nothing more than political pawns. at no time was iraq a threat ever. and even if they were, Saddam was less of a threat than the failed state we have left behind.
same goes for afganastan. failed. and no our proxy war there was not a success. we left behind a void that was filled by radicals.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:42 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Hot take
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:54 am to lsu777
This has been said in this thread, but I think it is worth repeating:
Russia does not want to control (and be responsible for) the Ukraine. They are energy deprived and thus would be a expensive vassal state.
Russia wants to not have NATO troops and NATO supplied missiles in Ukraine and for Ukraine not to join NATO as stated in the original NATO articles.
Ukraine's leaders want to leverage Russia for western dollars.
The Washington Neocons and Davos crowds wants war or more importantly the threat of war to distract the average American, generate profits for the military industrial complex and funnel money through their NGO's. They don't really want a war on the European continent because they want Europe to be home of the world government.
Of course the mainstream media is carrying their water.
Fake outrage.
Russia does not want to control (and be responsible for) the Ukraine. They are energy deprived and thus would be a expensive vassal state.
Russia wants to not have NATO troops and NATO supplied missiles in Ukraine and for Ukraine not to join NATO as stated in the original NATO articles.
Ukraine's leaders want to leverage Russia for western dollars.
The Washington Neocons and Davos crowds wants war or more importantly the threat of war to distract the average American, generate profits for the military industrial complex and funnel money through their NGO's. They don't really want a war on the European continent because they want Europe to be home of the world government.
Of course the mainstream media is carrying their water.
Fake outrage.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:09 pm to Big Wes
quote:
his has been said in this thread, but I think it is worth repeating:
Russia does not want to control (and be responsible for) the Ukraine. They are energy deprived and thus would be a expensive vassal state.
Russia wants to not have NATO troops and NATO supplied missiles in Ukraine and for Ukraine not to join NATO as stated in the original NATO articles.
Ukraine's leaders want to leverage Russia for western dollars.
The Washington Neocons and Davos crowds wants war or more importantly the threat of war to distract the average American, generate profits for the military industrial complex and funnel money through their NGO's. They don't really want a war on the European continent because they want Europe to be home of the world government.
Of course the mainstream media is carrying their water.
Fake outrage.
yep and this has been ignored and will be ignored by decator and mmmmmmmmmmmmbeer over and over while they scream
" WHAT'S PUTIN'S GOAL?" "PUTIN WANTS WORLD DOMINATION"
and whatever else the MIC tells them to say.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:21 pm to lsu777
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yep and this has been ignored and will be ignored by decator and mmmmmmmmmmmmbeer over and over while they scream
" WHAT'S PUTIN'S GOAL?" "PUTIN WANTS WORLD DOMINATION"
and whatever else the MIC tells them to say.
These people consume what the corporate media tells them without so much as a second thought. In fact, they'll call you a foreign collaborator/sympathizer if you don't swallow the propaganda and smile. Decatur and beer have accused multiple people of that in this thread alone because someone dared to take a different view of the world, so it's just their engrained instinct to react that way.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:32 pm to Big Wes
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Russia does not want to control (and be responsible for) the Ukraine
The Washington Neocons and Davos crowds wants war or more importantly the threat of war
And yet it's Putin who has 120k troops on the border? According to you, it should be a NATO buildup at the border and Putin deciding if he wants to fight or not.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:33 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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And yet it's Putin who has 120k troops on the border? According to you, it should be a NATO buildup at the border and Putin deciding if he wants to fight or not.
SHhhh, don't let facts get in the way of a mindless narrative.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:33 pm to Centinel
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My background was also SATCOM, just on the Army side.
I knew there was something cool about you
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:34 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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And yet it's Putin who has 120k troops on the border? According to you, it should be a NATO buildup at the border and Putin deciding if he wants to fight or not.
no....no need for a nato build up if you can just put missle defense there.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 1:00 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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My background was also SATCOM, just on the Army side.
I knew there was something cool about you
Navy SATCOM guy checking in
Certified to fix the KY-58, WSC-3, and TDMA
Posted on 1/19/22 at 1:56 pm to lsu777
We should send all the trannies and troops that use pronouns other than she/he to the front lines in Ukraine. That would scare Putin into backing down.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 1:58 pm to upgrayedd
Greenwald has been so good on that subject lately.
quote:
Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
What "Real Reporting" actually means in the parlance of corporate media -- and they've trained a lot of news consumers to believe this, too -- is this: call up people inside the CIA, FBI and the Pentagon, promise them anonymity, and then write down what they tell you to say.
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Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
Do Democrats ever ponder why almost all of the most bloodthirsty, monstrous and sociopathic neocons are not only anti-Trump but are now some of the most fanatical and vocal supporters of their party? Any thoughts about why they feel so comfortable and happy back in your party?
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:25 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
Do Democrats ever ponder why almost all of the most bloodthirsty, monstrous and sociopathic neocons are not only anti-Trump but are now some of the most fanatical and vocal supporters of their party? Any thoughts about why they feel so comfortable and happy back in your party?
This is spot on.
It's insane to see lefties and progressives like Greenwald and Jimmy Dore completely dismantle the media on shite like Russia and get so much resistance from their own side.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:27 pm to upgrayedd
Neocons were originally leftists. They don't care which side they support, as long as the war machine keeps rolling.
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during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I love watching the media fawn over Dick and Liz Cheney after decades of calling them war criminals 
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:47 pm to Armymann50
Can we get a babe thread started on this broad?
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