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Ruby Ridge - Why did the Govt get obsessed with Randy Weaver?

Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:13 am
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36089 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:13 am
I understand the reason they say, but it just doesn't make sense.


1. Sawed off some shotguns.

2. Went to some white supremacists gatherings.


Missed court dates.... And??? And???


I'm not saying the dude didn't break the law or that I agree with his beliefs, but it's like Govt brought down the fury on a small time weed seller or something.

You probably walk by more people daily in Baton Rouge that deserve to be arrested.

What was their hard-on with him?



This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 1:14 am
Posted by terd ferguson
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:30 am to
The govt set him up, killed his family, and there were zero repercussions
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
6579 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:37 am to
wasn't this the same situation as Waco? The FBI and ATF were both itching for an excuse to swing their dicks around and get some media coverage?
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
2027 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:41 am to
I thought they solicited him to be an informant on the aryan brotherhood group and he refused. Then to force him to comply they entrapped him to modify a shotgun so they could hold those charges over his head to force compliance to spy on the brotherhood for them.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
28020 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:50 am to
He never would play ball. They hate that shite.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146968 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:15 am to
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I thought they solicited him to be an informant on the aryan brotherhood group and he refused. Then to force him to comply they entrapped him to modify a shotgun so they could hold those charges over his head to force compliance to spy on the brotherhood for them.
^^^This.

They used FBI informants to entice him to the white supremacy meetings. He wasn't into it. Because of his former Army Ranger background they recruited him to be an informant. He refused. So they enticed him to create a sawed off shotgun and gave him money & taped him doing it.

Then they got a bench warrant for his arrest, made the court date bogus. Then could have easily brought him in in peace when he was in town and they were following him.

Instead, they waited and surrounded his property, ambushed him, from a far distance shot his son dead. Then from a sharp shooters aim also shot his wife on the porch dead while she was holding their small baby.

Bill Barr had a fake trial in DC and said it was rogue action, a rogue agent. No one took responsibility for the shoot to kill orders. The one daughter got a settlement from the DOJ and lives on a ranch.

All because he lived rural, homeschooled and he would not be a narc, they didn't like that. Clinton was a POS that went after created far right crazies.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146968 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:25 am to
And knowing what we know now about the media. All's we saw on MSNBC 24/7 was that Koresh at Waco was into polygamy, the media created in their minds he was committing incest and a weirdo cult.

Where was his trial he was into incest? Were they going to also take down Utah for polygamy? If we kill people by fire from tanks for being weirdos where does it stop? His trial was military tanks breaking his window.

Do scientologists pay uncle sam so they don't send the military?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67994 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:50 am to
They needed to make an example for the rest of us who were taking that freedom delusion too seriously.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 8:55 am
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64680 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:47 am to
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solicited him to be an informant


this is motive number one to get rid of someone
Posted by lsusa
Doing Missionary work for LSU
Member since Oct 2005
4598 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:12 am to
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All because he lived rural, homeschooled and he would not be a narc, they didn't like that. Clinton was a POS that went after created far right crazies.


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Ruby Ridge was the site of an eleven-day siege in 1992 in Boundary County, Idaho, near


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In addition to allegations of sexual abuse and misconduct, Koresh and his followers were suspected of stockpiling illegal weapons. In May 1992, Chief Deputy Daniel Weyenberg of the McLennan County Sheriff's Department called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to notify them that his office had been contacted by a local UPS representative concerned about a report by a local driver. The UPS driver said a package had broken open on delivery to the Branch Davidian residence, revealing firearms, inert grenade casings, and black powder.[citation needed] On June 9, the ATF opened a formal investigation and a week later it was classified as sensitive, "thereby calling for a high degree of oversight" from both Houston and headquarters.[


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January 20, 1989 – January 20, 1993

Bill Clinton In office January 20, 1993 – January 20, 2001



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he ATF later claimed that the raid was moved up a day, to February 28, 1993, in response to the Waco Tribune-Herald's "The Sinful Messiah" series of articles (which the ATF had tried to prevent from being published).[40] Beginning February 1, ATF agents had three meetings with Tribune-Herald staff regarding a delay in publication of "The Sinful Messiah".


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To answer public questions about Ruby Ridge, the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information held hearings between September 6 and October 19, 1995, and later issued a report calling for reforms in federal law enforcement to prevent a repeat of the losses of life at Ruby Ridge and restore public confidence in federal law enforcement.[5] It was observed that the Ruby Ridge incident and the 1993 Waco siege involved many of the same agencies (FBI HRT and ATF) and some of the same personnel (the FBI HRT commander).



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Randy Weaver and his daughters filed a wrongful death suit for $200 million which was related to the killing of his wife and son. In an out-of-court settlement in August 1995, the federal government awarded Randy Weaver $100,000 and it also awarded $1 million to each of his three daughters.




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American domestic terrorists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols claimed that revenge for the federal government's poor handling of Ruby Ridge and the Waco siege was their motivation for the Oklahoma City bombing. On April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the fire that ended the Waco siege, they detonated a massive truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people, including numerous women and children; injuring 680 others, and destroying more than one third of the building.
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
3994 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:32 am to
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American domestic terrorists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols claimed that revenge for the federal government's poor handling of Ruby Ridge and the Waco siege was their motivation for the Oklahoma City bombing. On April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the fire that ended the Waco siege, they detonated a massive truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people, including numerous women and children; injuring 680 others, and destroying more than one third of the building.


Tip of the iceberg
Posted by tigerinexile
NYC
Member since Sep 2004
1270 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:53 am to
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Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building


I’ve heard theories that there were incriminating evidence about a certain crime family (white house residents) located in this building.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131420 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:09 am to
They were trying to turn him into a snitch.

He wouldn’t do what they instructed.

Y’alls buddy Bill Barr wrote the rules of engagement and he wasn’t going to let that stand.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
5929 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:14 am to



More recently also in Waco texas 2015, there was the biker shootout that killed 13 people, 9 with police rounds and resulted in the holding of 200 people on million dollar bail bounds. Local DA messed up bad. FBI, ATF, state police had the information to stop prior to shooting that lasted about a minute
Posted by GFunkEra
Member since Dec 2022
187 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:30 am to
What year is it?
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18774 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:43 am to
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Then they got a bench warrant for his arrest, made the court date bogus. Then could have easily brought him in in peace when he was in town and they were following him.


I don't have first hand knowledge, but I saw a doc where they said Randy holed up and did not come down for weeks or months. The feds were content to keep waiting him out until the media started calling them out for letting this guy thumb his nose at the warrant by sitting in his house. To avoid more embarrassing PR, the feds elected to try to take him, then it went to shite.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
4812 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:45 am to
Because they had to win. People can’t just be out here freedoming without consequences.
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
35751 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:51 am to
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What was their hard-on with him?


They wanted the Aryan nations and he said no to becoming an informant.

Many people have had their legs chopped off by the federal govt because they wouldn't inform or had nothing to inform on.

Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36567 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:38 am to

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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."



This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 6:39 am
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2136 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:51 am to
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They needed to make an example for the rest of us who were taking that freedom delusion to seriously.


Because they can’t be seen as “losing”, ever. Even if they are completely wrong as they were in Ruby Ridge and Waco, they will keep pushing. They don’t want anyone to get the idea they can win. Same with law enforcement, that’s why you never see videos of cops going “we’re sorry, you were right about that law”. They arrest you anyway and make it a hassle just because. (No, I’ve never been arrested)
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