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re: Reports of over 20 young camp girls missing In TX floods

Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:52 pm to
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3405 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:52 pm to
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They did. They issued a flash flood warning that included threat to life at 1am


Yeah, well I received a flash flood warning this evening around 6pm by DFW airport. Should I have looked for the tallest tree to climb, because there are no hills to go to higher ground. Do you get the point now? Flash flood can be an inch of water on the road in many places.

So how do you correlate my flash flood warning tonight to the flash flood warning Friday morning at 2 am?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18078 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:54 pm to
They found the girl we’re friends with. Really wasn’t expecting a funeral for a 10 year old on my ‘25 bingo card. I can’t imagine what they’re going through and what her little brother will feel as he grows up and deals with the guilt of being in the same area but surviving.
Posted by CapitalTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2019
474 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:11 pm to
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Yeah, well I received a flash flood warning this evening around 6pm by DFW airport. Should I have looked for the tallest tree to climb, because there are no hills to go to higher ground.


No. But you should be alert to rising water, swift water, and impassable roads.

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Do you get the point now? Flash flood can be an inch of water on the road in many places.


Not really. Because a flash flood warning is issued because the radar indicates enough rainfall in a specific area that can cause significant flooding, especially in low lying areas.

Same as a tornado warning. There’s a cone/path issued but it’s broader than the impact area because the exact path is unknown.

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So how do you correlate my flash flood warning tonight to the flash flood warning Friday morning at 2 am?


That the DFW area should be on high alert for rising, swift water tonight - especially in low-lying areas. Just as Kerr County needed to Friday.
Posted by tarpley2000
Texas
Member since Oct 2021
35 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:13 pm to
There is actually a higher tier warning that can be issued by the NWS. It is called a Flash Flood Emergency. The NWS issued one for the Hunt area around 4am and for Kerrville around 530am.
“Flash Flood EMERGENCY
issued for the EXCEEDINGLY RARE situations when extremely heavy rain is leading to a severe threat to human life and CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE from a flash flood is happening or will happen soon. Typically, emergency officials are reporting LIFE-THREATENING water rises resulting in water rescues/evacuations.”
Posted by LazloHollyfeld
Steam Tunnel at UNC-G
Member since Apr 2009
2108 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:30 pm to
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actually a higher tier warning


Maybe they need an even higher one “YOU GONNA DIE MOTHERfrickER. [RUN/SEEK SHELTER], NOW!”
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
66922 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:32 pm to
Wrong thread
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 10:55 pm
Posted by CapitalTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2019
474 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:35 pm to
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Maybe they need an even higher one “YOU GONNA DIE MOTHERfrickER. [RUN/SEEK SHELTER], NOW!”


Someone is not old enough to remember the Katrina NWS builten the morning after it jumped to a Cat 5
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8665 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:54 pm to
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Someone is not old enough to remember the Katrina NWS builten the morning after it jumped to a Cat 5


I’d bet that was definitely an Oh shite moment for a lot of people on here, it was for me.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
97025 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 11:19 pm to
quote:

It still irritates me that there were people here posting as if it were a fact that no more bodies would be found


Yup. Cart before the horse. I remember that comment actually. Maybe just wishful thinking so the families could move one. I’m sure several were found under thick brush that wouldn’t be seen by a casual observer.
Posted by Boomdaddy65201
BoCoMo
Member since Mar 2020
4529 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 11:23 pm to
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It still irritates me that there were people here posting as if it were a fact that no more bodies would be found


They’ll be finding remains miles upon miles from the camp and in the oddest places where you wouldn’t be expecting a body to be found. When the Mo. or Mississippi flood around here it displaces homes, barges, and other large objects when Johnson’s Shut-in and the Current river flooded they found cars, trailers, and 10-ton trees wedged 20-30’ up in trees 15-20 miles away.

Mo. Task Force 1 just left for Texas today, they’ve been deployed specifically for recovery of bodies not rescue. Cadaver dogs, drones, and grid specialist support. My daughter’s best friend’s dad used to be a FF and a member of Mo. Task Force 1 now that his daughters have come of age he had to retire and get out, he couldn’t stomach that part of the job any longer.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
97025 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 11:30 pm to
The river is super calm now for the last two days per people on the ground. It will make recovery that much easier for them.

Probably a great time to make tons of money on removal of cars and broken houses. Curious to see how FEMA does on this. This is among the first water related cases under new mgmt.
Posted by Boomdaddy65201
BoCoMo
Member since Mar 2020
4529 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 11:46 pm to
With the amount of resources already deployed to the Hill country, it would make entirely too much sense if they wouldn’t just have them continue on their way to N.M.

It looks as if they are going to need it.
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 11:51 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
97025 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 11:48 pm to
Agreed. As I said yesterday they are clearing 1 mile per hour. But with the rain that hit TX today I’m sure progress was slowed.

The day after the floods, they already had markings on cars and trees to remove to clear the path for the machines. DHS and TX officials have done a great job mobilizing.
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
5563 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 11:57 pm to
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Alert fatigue is real - not sure what the answer is but a change in the entire alert system (not just weather related) is needed.



Its gotten much worse over the past decade. It doesn't matter that you got it right the one time if you've cried wolf 10 times in the past. That one time isn't worth anything.


The Ms river has been somewhat high all Spring and continuing into summer. Everytime I check the weather forecast I get told there is a flood warning in effect. Except that its not going to actually reach flood stage and oh btw, it reaches flood stage every year and the few people it affect are so use to it they dgaf.

Same with torado sirens. frickers are constantly going off. No one gives a shite anymore.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20103 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:05 am to
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With the amount of resources already deployed to the Hill country, it would make entirely too much sense if they wouldn’t just have them continue on their way to N.M. It looks as if they are going to need it.


We should all really take a moment and think about how lucky we are even in this bad situation.

No other country has ever spent resources like we do to search and locate, SAR etc.

If you think about when 1 person goes missing how much we expend just for that it’s incredible.

No other country enjoys this luxury, not even close.
Posted by T_don
Abbeville
Member since Dec 2019
478 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:18 am to
Just don’t see a way to get around it damned if you do damned don’t by the public. I’m guilty of ignoring shite because it’s never happen to me or my family not something I’m proud of and I don’t want to learn it the hard way but I see the argument both ways
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75185 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:26 am to
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So how do you correlate my flash flood warning tonight to the flash flood warning Friday morning at 2 am?

At a certain point it becomes a personal accountability issue. You can have as many warnings as you want, use whatever wording you want, make polygons whatever color you want, make them flash and blink, whatever you want......it comes down to the individual making the conscious choice to be weather aware and understand what the area they are living in or visiting is capable of.

We have a relatively cheap device that can be put in every home, every vehicle, tent, or hole in the ground that can give constant weather updates and near instantaneous alert when watches and warnings are issued. That device does not rely on cellular networks or an internet connection.

It is up to the individual to receive the alerts, understand the alerts, and know what they mean for the area they are in.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7806 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:29 am to
Completely agree. But there’s an extra level of responsibility for an RV park owner or a summer camp operator to protect their guests.
I was practically begging my co-worker to tell his family to get off the Mississippi Coast before Katrina hit. Fortunately, they survived. But they saw horror that they’ll never wipe away from their memories.
Posted by King
Deep in the backwoods
Member since Sep 2008
18682 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:26 am to
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Guadalupe River Flood Survivor Speaks Out - KERR COUNTY, TEXAS - What was meant to be a joyful Fourth of July holiday quickly turned into a nightmare for the Santana family, as a flash flood devastated the HTR TX Hill Country campground near Ingram, Texas, sweeping away cabins and claiming lives.

Eddie Santana-Negron age 69, and his wife Ileana Santana age 66, longtime residents of Mobile, Alabama, had traveled to Texas to spend the holiday with their eldest son, Eddie William Santana Jr age 39,his wife Camille Santana age 38, and their 5-year-old daughter Mila Rose Santana. The family had rented a cabin at the popular riverside campground.

The family had gone to bed around 9 a.m. that rainy July 3. In the early morning hours of July 4, at approximately 4 a.m., Eddie William was awakened by frantic screams outside. He checked his phone and saw a text alert from the campground warning of dangerous flooding, sent just six minutes earlier. When he opened the front door, floodwaters were already at the threshold.

Realizing the urgency, Eddie William Santana Jr tried to gather his family and find an escape route through a back window, but within minutes, water surged into the cabin. The force was so great it lifted the entire structure off its foundation, turning it into a vessel adrift in a torrent of floodwater.

As the cabin was carried away, Eddie Jr recalls a sudden impact, followed by a hole tearing through the roof. Water gushed in, and in a terrifying moment, he was expelled through the opening. Struggling against the powerful current filled with debris, vehicles, trees, and shattered structures, he fought to stay afloat.

After a harrowing ordeal, Eddie William managed to grasp onto a line of trees and held on for his life. He was one of the first persons to be rescued shortly after 8 a.m., suffering a deep laceration and requiring staples and treatment for bruising. He was later released from the hospital. It’s a miracle he survived.

As of Sunday, the whereabouts of Eddie’s parents, Eddie Santana-Negron and Ileana Santana, along with Camille and young Mila, remain unknown. Rescue crews continue searching the area, while the Santana family’s home island of Puerto Rico has rallied around them in prayer and solidarity.

A Puerto Rican news outlet is broadcasting the story, showing the tremendous support and faith being poured out for the missing family members.

Authorities in Kerr County have confirmed over 70 fatalities from the flooding, calling it the deadliest weather disaster of 2025 in the United States. Investigations are ongoing into the timing of the emergency alerts and whether proper evacuation procedures were communicated in time.

For now, a family remains fractured, held together by hope and prayer, as rescue and recovery efforts continue.


They recovered the man's wife's body.

Camille recovered
Posted by ridlejs
Member since Aug 2011
404 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:14 am to
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We should all really take a moment and think about how lucky we are even in this bad situation.

No other country has ever spent resources like we do to search and locate, SAR etc.

If you think about when 1 person goes missing how much we expend just for that it’s incredible.

No other country enjoys this luxury, not even close.


Preach brother. Go read this front page WSJ article on the atrocities that happened in this Syrian prison and it puts things in perspective.
SAYDNAYA Prison
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