- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Question for the atheists here
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:59 am to FieldEngineer
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:59 am to FieldEngineer
Ad infinitum? Yes.
But that hypothetical is entirely different than op is describing.
But that hypothetical is entirely different than op is describing.
0
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:59 am to FieldEngineer
quote:
What if 10,000 monkeys were randomly typing on a keyboard? Would one eventually recreate the works of Shakespeare?
Mathematically, with enough attempts, yes.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:00 am to FieldEngineer
The scientific method does not prove anything. You either do or do not disprove a hypothesis.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:01 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
Ok. How do you know that, after you die, in some other universe in the future, atoms couldn’t rearrange themselves in the same exact pattern at some point in the future? Especially if we posit that time is infinite.
Even if you died and could be reassembled atom by atom with all memories in tact, the original you is still dead with no more consciousness ever.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:02 am to BiggerBear
quote:
This is how the transporters in Star Trek work. They scan you and then destroy your body. Then they send the scan to a machine that creates an exact copy of you. It's not you though. It's a copy.
This gets into a slightly different topic, but still an interesting one. Would you be able to tell the difference?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:02 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
I don't. It's pure speculation. I just don't know why some (not all) atheists completely rule out the possibility described in the OP
Same way theists completely rule out the possibility that their good isn't real.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:04 am to ThuperThumpin
quote:
Even if you died and could be reassembled atom by atom with all memories in tact, the original you is still dead with no more consciousness ever.
If "you" are simply a complex arrangement of physical building blocks, then shouldn't that be able to be recreated, if the recreation "machine" was detailed enough?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:05 am to noonan
quote:
Same way theists completely rule out the possibility that their good isn't real.
It sounds like you think both viewpoints are illogical.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:05 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
But the processes which led to the state of all of those physical properties that make up your current memory/consciousness... are you saying that even with infinite time, it’s impossible for it to happen again in some other universe far into the future?
I mean, infinite is infinite right?
Does entropy still exist? Because if so, then I'm going with yes, impossible
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:06 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
Mathematically, with enough attempts, yes.
I think if something is only possible with an infinite number of attempts, it's bordering on the impossible. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:07 am to Displaced
quote:
The scientific method does not prove anything. You either do or do not disprove a hypothesis.
Ok fine, you got me. Try to use it to support your theory.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:09 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
If "you" are simply a complex arrangement of physical building blocks, then shouldn't that be able to be recreated, if the recreation "machine" was detailed enough?
Would you be ok with stepping into a machine that was going to disassemble you atom by atom and re-build a copy of you?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:09 am to RidiculousHype
You are correct.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:14 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
Ok. How do you know that, after you die, in some other universe in the future, atoms couldn’t rearrange themselves in the same exact pattern at some point in the future?
No one "knows" what happens. It's all just speculation and choosing what you believe.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:17 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
If "you" are simply a complex arrangement of physical building blocks, then shouldn't that be able to be recreated, if the recreation "machine" was detailed enough?
Like I said, you are dead...finished... no more consciousnesses. Your copy would go on. Now I'm open to the idea that there is more to consciousness and reality than what we perceive but by your argument no I would not exist after death even if a perfect of copy of me was made and did exist.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:23 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
I don't. It's pure speculation. I just don't know why some (not all) atheists completely rule out the possibility described in the OP.
Given infinite time and infinite universes, then there would be another universe identical to ours that exists right now. We aren’t cognizant of that and the people in that universe are not us.
Believing in an infinite multiverse that you describe requires faith, just like believing in religion. You might as well ask whether atheist believe it is possible we are in a simulation?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:27 am to Mr Perfect
quote:I wish I had the time today to interact with your nonsense.
hey dude. don't have children and spread indoctrination. we need less ppl like you who believe in fairy tales
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:30 am to RidiculousHype
1st law of thermodynamics… energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms. We are energy. When we die our energy goes somewhere. It doesn't just "end". It's as simple as that.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:31 am to RidiculousHype
quote:Memories are encoded from experiences and perception. The future combination of atoms would not have those, unless this future self was composed of the exact same ones, arranged in the exact same order. It's more logical to believe in heaven than to think all of that is possible.
It would if memories were included.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:36 am to FieldEngineer
This conversation has built in biases. One being that you may have chosen a side to defend, which is absolutely normal, but is not necessary here.
Got a question. If eye witness is not valuable, then would you understand someone saying that the declaration of independence wasn't real?
Another could be about the Roman conquests. Is this fiction?
But the thought of the cells reconfiguring is a good one since some believe they all came together randomly to create monkeys that evolved into humans.
Got a question. If eye witness is not valuable, then would you understand someone saying that the declaration of independence wasn't real?
Another could be about the Roman conquests. Is this fiction?
But the thought of the cells reconfiguring is a good one since some believe they all came together randomly to create monkeys that evolved into humans.
Page 4 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News