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re: Question for the atheists here
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:39 am to RidiculousHype
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:39 am to RidiculousHype
Prove to me there is something and I will stop thinking there is nothing. It is mostly the lack of ability to believe in things that require belief, but I am very willing to change my mind if provided with new evidence.
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:43 am to RidiculousHype
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Ok. How do you know that, after you die, in some other universe in the future, atoms couldn’t rearrange themselves in the same exact pattern at some point in the future?
This is actually a thought experiment first proposed by the German physicist Ludwig Boltzmann. He suggested that given enough time that atoms would arrange to form a brain. This became known as a "Boltzmann brain."
And yeah, it's theoretically possible that your or I may exist again.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:43 am to BestBanker
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This conversation has built in biases. One being that you may have chosen a side to defend, which is absolutely normal, but is not necessary here.
Got a question. If eye witness is not valuable, then would you understand someone saying that the declaration of independence wasn't real?
Another could be about the Roman conquests. Is this fiction?
Weird post. Not sure how we're making the leap to questioning the Declaration of Independence. There is evidence that occurred, not the least of which is that I am currently sitting in the United States of America.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:44 am to arcalades
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Atheists have no answer for how something could come from nothing (the big bang)
Saying a magic man in the sky that no one can see waved his hand and created everything also isn't an 'answer' any more than your kid blaming his invisible friend for breaking the lamp.
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It is unfathomably stupid that humans with iqs above 70 would believe in evolution.
See above.
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surely you haven't given it much thought at all and simply fall back on it bc you've been brainwashed into it.
The irony is flowing like molasses. This has to be a troll.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 9:47 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:52 am to RidiculousHype
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:56 am to ExtraGravy
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Never tried em myself.
It’s never too late.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:04 am to RidiculousHype
We are consciousness. Everything that we apprehend with our five senses occurs in a field of energetic consciousness. Consciousness energy is eternal and neither created or destroyed.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:08 am to RidiculousHype
I know this can’t happen because far too many of my brain cells died reading your post.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:12 am to AUstar
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This is actually a thought experiment first proposed by the German physicist Ludwig Boltzmann. He suggested that given enough time that atoms would arrange to form a brain. This became known as a "Boltzmann brain."
And yeah, it's theoretically possible that your or I may exist again.
Interesting, I'll have to read up on Boltzmann.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:13 am to genuineLSUtiger
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We are consciousness. Everything that we apprehend with our five senses occurs in a field of energetic consciousness. Consciousness energy is eternal and neither created or destroyed.
Definitely on board with this. Currently science has NO idea how consciousness arises. They can only find correlates. Today’s dominant scientific paradigm says that consciousness comes from chemical activity in our brains. Fact of the matter, this is ONLY an assumption and science has no idea how a brain could actually make consciousness. It’s even called “the hard problem” of consciousness, and Science magazine has called it the #2 question remaining in all of science.
There is actually a large body of research and evidence suggesting that we haven’t solved the hard problem because we’re asking the wrong question: consciousness doesn’t come from the brain in the first place. Rather, consciousness is the basis of all reality and the brain filters or restricts consciousness. So instead of saying the brain creates consciousness, it’s actually the other way around. Our brains, bodies, and even the physical universe are products of (and exist within) consciousness.
Just something to think about.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:15 am to lsut2005
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Definitely on board with this. Currently science has NO idea how consciousness arises. They can only find correlates. Today’s dominant scientific paradigm says that consciousness comes from chemical activity in our brains. Fact of the matter, this is ONLY an assumption and science has no idea how a brain could actually make consciousness. It’s even called “the hard problem” of consciousness, and Science magazine has called it the #2 question remaining in all of science.
There is actually a large body of research and evidence suggesting that we haven’t solved the hard problem because we’re asking the wrong question: consciousness doesn’t come from the brain in the first place. Rather, consciousness is the basis of all reality and the brain filters or restricts consciousness. So instead of saying the brain creates consciousness, it’s actually the other way around. Our brains, bodies, and even the physical universe are products of (and exist within) consciousness.
Just something to think about.
Great stuff
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:19 am to AUstar
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This is actually a thought experiment first proposed by the German physicist Ludwig Boltzmann. He suggested that given enough time that atoms would arrange to form a brain. This became known as a "Boltzmann brain."
i didn't think of boltzmann, but read the OP's post like a stoner version of nietzsche's idea of the eternal recurrence.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:23 am to Bunsbert Montcroff
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OP's post like a stoner version
I always laugh at these. I've never done a drug in my life. Did I really type that like as stoner?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:23 am to RidiculousHype
How, exactly, do you propose that a physical particle crosses both space and time independent of a catalyst ?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:30 am to RidiculousHype
Time is just a useful measurement for us to pin things around. It neither exists nor is it infinite. But without it we would never be able to convert tragedy into comedy.
All you're doing here is a Ship of Theseus problem and turning it into an afterlife/alternate timeline/cyclical universe.
The big question is why you think this pertains to atheism as even if reincarnation existed as some sorta thing we haven't figured out, it doesn't need gods.
All you're doing here is a Ship of Theseus problem and turning it into an afterlife/alternate timeline/cyclical universe.
The big question is why you think this pertains to atheism as even if reincarnation existed as some sorta thing we haven't figured out, it doesn't need gods.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:32 am to FieldEngineer
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There is evidence that occurred, not the least of which is that I am currently sitting in the United States of America.
We also have the document itself, for starters, and an abundance of other documents worldwide that quote and refer to it.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:35 am to lsut2005
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consciousness doesn’t come from the brain in the first place
Everything humans do, perceive, think, etc., "comes" from the brain.
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So instead of saying the brain creates consciousness, it’s actually the other way around. Our brains, bodies, and even the physical universe are products of (and exist within) consciousness.
Talk about word salad. 
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:36 am to ZappBrannigan
I’ve read through this thread and I’ve been lurking TD hard core since 2007 so I know there are a lot of atheists here and that is good news to me. It was predicted that there will be a “great falling away from faith” in the close to end times. I’m not trying to say I’m some prophet but things really are getting Biblically accurate here lately. I think we are on our last lap but I have no idea how long that lap is. It might be year or nine hundred years but things are winding down imho.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:38 am to moester75
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It might be year or nine hundred years but things are winding down imho.
Nothing alive has ever gotten further away from death.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:39 am to Indefatigable
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Everything humans do, perceive, think, etc., "comes" from the brain.
There is zero evidence that our brain produces consciousness though, that's what I'm saying.. the brain is a vehicle for consciousness, but doesn't actually produce it.
Just throwing out different theories since current materialist science has gotten us nowhere closer to solving the hard problem of consciousness.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 10:41 am
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