ThuperThumpin

[quote]This ^^^^ either infuriates or scares agnostics and atheists……knowing you’re going to have to answer to a higher authority for the life you lived is pretty serious stuff. Imagine shaking your fist at God or denying His existence…. and then one day, you take your last breath and the lights did...

[quote]That has been shown to be statistically impossible.[/quote] So its statistically impossible for life to rise out of primordial ooze on any planet or just ours?...

[quote]Potentially, but your specific description was "all random". My response was only pointing out the non-random driving forced within evolutionary theroy.[/quote] Yea I totally get that . I'm kinda tired and thinking out loud. ...

[quote]Natural selection is anything but random.[/quote] Would mutation be random? I think we may be misunderstanding each other. ...

[quote]doubt it, and that's why I said this gets philosophical. How can you prove something that's outside science with the scientific method? All you can do is eventually run out of theories and "design" is the only thing left, but that's not proof and people will be happy to reject it.[/quote] ...

[quote]Wouldn't that sort of "intelligent design" be limited to the life that was seeded and not the life that evolved via natural selection over millions of years after?[/quote] Just to be clear I don't beleive that ID is true but a possibility. To your question I guess it would depend on the le...

[quote]Presumptuous. And I'm being kind.[/quote] As opposed to our entire reality being random? I think NC has a very broad interpretation of ID as do I. I think its possible that higher intelligences may seed life on other planets for instance. I would consider that a form of intelligent design ...

Thats cool. Do you care to answer my original question?[quote]you believe in any form of evolution...macro or micro?[/quote]...

[quote]What do you believe is the first cause?[/quote] I have no idea and as I get older I'm more comfortable with having no idea. I do enjoy speculation though....

[quote]They'd just like some honesty about how much of it is hard science and how much of it is driven by ideology.[/quote] Fair enough to question that as well but focus on that instead of trying to elevate ID into anything other than philosophy and speculation at this point. ...

[quote]I've never run across any proponents of ID who want to throw it all out.[/quote] I guess I would ask who do you mean by proponents? I mean I'm open to the idea or philosophy of intelligent design. I think if there is proof of a creator that scientist will be the ones to find it... but I d...

[quote]Yes.[/quote] No scientific inquiry whatsoever huh...Just the Bible? ...

[quote]There's nothing wrong with saying "we know evolution can do this, but we're not sure it can do that." They can't bring themselves to say that.[/quote] Thats fair enough but then you get these guys that suggest because that is the case it should all be thrown out and we should just believe ...

[quote]That ANY body somehow believes that the logic and "science" of "Evolution" is remotely possible with ALL the info on genetic...blows my mind.[/quote] Then how would you explain sickle cell?...

[quote]Theres literally no evidence for this . So will these other apes eventually become humans?[/quote] Before I answer let me just ask you.. do you believe in any form of evolution...macro or micro?...

[quote]Adam and Eve.[/quote] Ok cool. Your faith has brought you to that conclusion? Others dont share that faith and want to inquire further. ...

[quote]quote: ”You too old to be believing in evolution.. evolution say people came from monkeys, and the question is, why is there still monkeys, you dumb motherfricker, you..” Katt Williams[/quote] Common ancestor....other apes are continuing to evolve. ...

[quote]I see it as the world's way of circumventing God as in "okay, we finally admit that there is some component of an intelligent design here but we refuse to concede to the possibility that that intelligent designer is God Himself." Let's try aliens instead.[/quote] You assume that when yo...

[quote]Fairy-gods from ancient books aren't really compatible with the premise of alien life.[/quote] What do you mean? Even if you take the Bible literally, word for word, how does it dismiss alien life? And are not God, angels and demons extraterrestrial/interdimensional beings? ...

[quote]The fact that 'science' takes what Darwin saw on an isolated island with no control so seriously is an indictment on the scientific process and they insist on it because when you get them to the point of creation, their science breaks down. It's not that complicated, we live in a universe tha...