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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]guess I’m not explaining myself well enough[/quote] No man you are good I'm seeing your dots just having trouble connecting them. Not the best format for topics like this....
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]don’t believe we’re evolving to an objective morality, I believe we already know it. It’s not changing. We actually as a society and choosing to be immoral more and more. What you’re describing is maybe a personal outlook on life. Your personal opinions can change, but that doesn’t mean moral...
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re: UGA murder suspect is an illegal immigrant - ThuperThumpin
Could not find where it was confirmed he was illegal yet...just not a US citizen ...
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re: NATO signs off on F-16 usage against and inside of Russia - ThuperThumpin
[quote]Good. frick Putin. He started this shit.[/quote] I support our efforts to help Ukraine but this is a bad idea. A very bad idea....
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re: (Memo) Trump and GOP to come out against Alabama court ruling regarding IVF - ThuperThumpin
[quote]they just should have anticipated this[/quote] I think we are going to start hearing that phrase a lot with regards to Republicans and the changes to reproductive laws....
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]would tweak that slightly to say that it means people believe and act as if morality is, at least in some cases, objective.[/quote] Ok.that makes sense but he is arguing morality doesn't exist unless it's objective...but that is based on a belief that is subjective? ...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
So you beleive a universal objective morality exist and humans are evolving towards an understanding of that morality...is that correct? I'm trying to understand how you define the changes in what we view as moral and immoral. Thats why I say it's subjective. What word besides morality do you u...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]Objective morality is proof for God, not the other way around.[/quote] Shit..you lost me again......
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]think you’ve ignored my original argument[/quote] Lol....I just realized that and just rephrase my question. Sorry..doing busy work while trying to have a discussion like this is not the best idea....
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]Maybe not proof in a sense an atheist would accept. But I’d say there’s a lot of evidence suggesting there is a God. More so than evidence that there isn’t a God. Is that proof? Maybe not.[/quote] Is that proof necessary for an objective morality? If so then we could agree morality might b...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]Not in a purely materialistic world.[/quote] Yea right..I think you were in the last discussion on free will and it really gets down deep into the source of conscious thought and even deeper to the nature of reality. ...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]Therefore, when we "religious nuts" want to say that morality should be based on our desire to honor God, we shouldn't be castigated for bringing religion into it.[/quote] We can collectively decide to ignore your reasoning and your values..but castigated no. ...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]Totally different conversation, but sure. Free will is pretty self evident.[/quote] Ive been thinking lately that free will exists but its highly over rated :lol:...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]f you have an authority to say what is moral, you are arguing something isn't moral. If morality is relative/subjective, you shouldn't care what anybody else finds moral or immoral. We'd all be correct.[/quote] It seems like you are asking the same question and I'm just offering variations...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]How can you punish someone for being moral? What gives you the authority to say your morality supersedes someone else's morality?[/quote] Hey why dont we quit pussyfooting around and just dive head long into whether we actually have free will or not. What do you say? But to answer you...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]Therefore, if morality is subjective, you can never say someone else acting immorally, because morality is based on each individual.[/quote] Correct. Every society, every generation, made up of individuals, determines the moral conclusions and those change. So its relatively moral or immor...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]Put another way, is a law telling you that you cannot consider race or sex when hiring for your private business (or renting the room above grandma's garage) any better than one that tells you that you can't open a strip club on your property because it's 500 feet from an elementary school? W...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]t can create a path towards a goal, but it can't tell you whether the goal is "good" or "bad".[/quote] Right ...yea we are on the same page. ...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]Morals aren't based on logic. That's 100% accurate.[/quote] Well I think logic is used in some capacity to judge morality. The reasoning for some moral decisons .. For example one may use logic to determine a moral question such as whether it is appropriate to drop a bomb on civilians in o...
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re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist - ThuperThumpin
[quote]If you make a statement, it can't be both true and false at the same time. The simple fact that you're making a moral argument in the first place is proof that morality is objective. The argument for moral relativism is self-defeating.[/quote] Ok so Im trying to think this through...I can ...
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