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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:19 pm to tduecen
I'm still not sending my daughter to Tara HS 
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:22 pm to Tyga Woods
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Learning happens at home, bruh. The school is just responsible for presenting the info and testing. Schools aren’t the problem, the parents are.
Yep.
And at my kids private school, 95% come from two parent homes where the parents care a lot about their kids education. Can't say the same for most of the public schools anywhere around here.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:25 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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So they're saying white people are just better at school regardless of where they are?
Well no. It actually says that poor white people also suck at school.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:27 pm to tduecen
Even if this is true, parents should still have a right to send their children to the school of their choosing.
The way we administer education in America is totally fricked. I am not saying there shouldn't be public funding for education....but the money should be given to parents so they can choose what they see as best educational resources for their children.
The state of Nevada is trying this right now.
Literally every other form of social assistance in America is done this way. We give people the money and they choose where to go with it.
The government doesn't run food pantries that poor people use. Instead, the gov't gives people ebt funds to use at private stores.
The government doesn't run medical centers. Instead, the gov't gives people medicaid to use at private providers.
The government doesn't own housing. Instead, the gov't gives people section 8 to use with private landlords.
Why should schooling be any different?
Instead of having gov't own the schools, give people education money to use at private education places.
The way we administer education in America is totally fricked. I am not saying there shouldn't be public funding for education....but the money should be given to parents so they can choose what they see as best educational resources for their children.
The state of Nevada is trying this right now.
Literally every other form of social assistance in America is done this way. We give people the money and they choose where to go with it.
The government doesn't run food pantries that poor people use. Instead, the gov't gives people ebt funds to use at private stores.
The government doesn't run medical centers. Instead, the gov't gives people medicaid to use at private providers.
The government doesn't own housing. Instead, the gov't gives people section 8 to use with private landlords.
Why should schooling be any different?
Instead of having gov't own the schools, give people education money to use at private education places.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:27 pm to tduecen
Private school is to get higher success rate kids away from the low success rate students
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:30 pm to tduecen
Most of the non-religious private schools fall into one of two camps:
1) Super snooty "we don't want to go to school with poor/minorities" and "we want our kids to have access to other snooty parents". No different than why kids go to certain schools for an MBA because they know they will get to network with titans of business
2) Schools that focus on athletics / taking kids who get kicked out of public schools
Religious schools fall somewhere in the middle.
Many of the #2 schools, and a bunch of religious schools, use uncertified teachers. Now I'm not saying certification is everything, but I know a lot of catholic school teachers who are teaching there - with a lower salary - because they can't pass the Praxis.
Plus, that hour of religion class every day takes away from time on actual educational subjects.
People in LA urban areas put their average kids in Catholic schools because of the discipline problems in the urban public schools. There are plenty of super-smart kids in OPSB and EBRPSB schools... but they all attend the magnets. I'd put the smartest kids at Franklin vs the smartest kids at Jesuit any day.
1) Super snooty "we don't want to go to school with poor/minorities" and "we want our kids to have access to other snooty parents". No different than why kids go to certain schools for an MBA because they know they will get to network with titans of business
2) Schools that focus on athletics / taking kids who get kicked out of public schools
Religious schools fall somewhere in the middle.
Many of the #2 schools, and a bunch of religious schools, use uncertified teachers. Now I'm not saying certification is everything, but I know a lot of catholic school teachers who are teaching there - with a lower salary - because they can't pass the Praxis.
Plus, that hour of religion class every day takes away from time on actual educational subjects.
People in LA urban areas put their average kids in Catholic schools because of the discipline problems in the urban public schools. There are plenty of super-smart kids in OPSB and EBRPSB schools... but they all attend the magnets. I'd put the smartest kids at Franklin vs the smartest kids at Jesuit any day.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:32 pm to tduecen
This study put parochial and private schools under the same umbrella. Religiously affiliated schools (parochial) are often confused with private education. Remove the parochials from the conversation and it’s very hard to argue with the success of private schools. Religion based education is exempt from many standards traditional private schools aren’t. The elite private schools found in the northeast that cost more than $30k a year shouldn’t be grouped into the same category as St. Mary’s of the Ghetto.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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but the money should be given to parents so they can choose what they see as best educational resources for their children.
so the same shitty, irresponsible parents who don't take care of or responsibility for their kids should get the money? quote:
We give people the money and they choose where to go with it
and we all know how efficient and accountable that is.
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The government doesn't own housing. Instead, the gov't gives people section 8 to use with private landlords
yes, and this has worked so well in places like the 9th ward, Tigerland or Gardere.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:33 pm to castorinho
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It's not groundbreaking, by any means. But a lot of people think just sending a kid to private school and they're good when parental involvement is the most important factor.
A lot of people believe it's best to send their kids to a school where 99% + of the parents care about education too.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:33 pm to tduecen
Study should also say that “more money is not a solution to improving schools”.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The government doesn't run food pantries that poor people use. Instead, the gov't gives people ebt funds to use at private stores.
The government doesn't run medical centers. Instead, the gov't gives people medicaid to use at private providers.
The government doesn't own housing. Instead, the gov't gives people section 8 to use with private landlords.
These are all relatively recent developments. We used to have food pantries with government cheese, we used to have public hospitals with direct funding (still do, to some extent), we used to have housing projects (still do, actually, now just also have Sec 8 as an option).
Those three also somewhat involve private business wanting to take a profit. The idea of a for-profit K-12 school still has a lot of problems with it.
However, certain standards must be met to receive the vouchers. The same could and should be done with schools.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:No one said otherwise.
Even if this is true, parents should still have a right to send their children to the school of their choosing.
Essentially this is saying that if you are involved at home your kid would be fine in a public school,as that's the main factor.
Obviously a big factor (didn't read the study, not sure if they touched on that) is also the influence of your surroundings. I'd rather my child go somewhere where he'd get some better connections that will come in handy years down the road, which is a huge plus for private schools.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:35 pm to PiscesTiger
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Parental involvement and parental socioeconomics are all that matter. Much of the rest is just a by-product.
IQ / natural aptitude matter too.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:49 pm to notiger1997
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And at my kids private school, 95% come from two parent homes where the parents care a lot about their kids education. Can't say the same for most of the public schools anywhere around here.
Mine are in private school too. The kids that are there on scholarships that were struggling at their previous school are struggling at the private school. Parents gotta put in the work.
My kids are smart but if it was up to them they’d play fortnite all night instead of studying. If nobody is reinforcing school work at home the kid is going to struggle.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:50 pm to biglego
quote:Have the most fretting, domineering parents in the universe. 90% of my SIL's tutoring clients are Asians or Jews. So yes, parental involvement is key.
Asians and Jews
Of course, in these cases, the downside is that a lot of the kids go on to get as far the frick away from mom and dad as they possibly can.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:54 pm to SECdragonmaster
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SECdragonmaster
Study should also say that “more money is not a solution to improving schools”.
Take every and any metric you’d deem relevant to measuring success in education and compare each indivdual states success in public education. Then compare what that state spends per student on education. Would you be shocked to find out that states who spend the most lead in almost every category? What states spend per student is public knowledge. There are 10 articles a day on the subject.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:57 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Plus, that hour of religion class every day takes away from time on actual educational subjects.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:59 pm to tduecen
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Private schools aren't better at educating kids than public schools, study says
I would venture a guess, that besides being an elitist, you go to private school so that you have a more controlled and safe environment.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:01 pm to Areddishfish
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I would venture a guess, that besides being an elitist, you go to private school so that you have a more controlled and safe environment.
This and a better peer group. At least in BR that's the case.
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