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Private schools aren't better at educating kids than public schools, study says

Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:06 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:06 pm
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Despite evidence showing otherwise, it remains conventional wisdom in many parts of the education world that private schools do a better job of educating students, with superior standardized test scores and outcomes. It is one of the claims that some school choice supporters make in arguing that the public should pay for private school education.


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University of Virginia researchers who looked at data from more than 1,000 students found that all of the advantages supposedly conferred by private education evaporate when socio-demographic characteristics are factored in. There was also no evidence found to suggest that low-income children or children enrolled in urban schools benefit more from private school enrollment.


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The new study was conducted by Robert Pianta, dean of Virginia's Curry School of Education and a professor of education and psychology, and Arya Ansari, a postdoctoral research associate at the university's Center for Advanced Study for Teaching and Learning.


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Kids who come from homes with higher incomes and parental education achievement offer young children - from birth through age 5 - educational resources and stimulation that other children don't get. These conditions presumably carry on through the school years, Pianta said.

Pianta and Ansari used a longitudinal study of a large and diverse sample of children to examine the extent to which attending private schools predicts achievement and social and personal outcomes at age 15.

They started with data from the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development's Study of Early Child Care and Youth Development. That was a 10-site research project that followed children from birth to 15 years with a common study protocol, including an annual interview and observations at home and school and in the neighborhood. In that years-long study, there were 1,364 families that became study participants, with ethnicity and household income largely representative of the U.S. population, though Pianta and Ansari looked at 1,097 of those children for their analysis.


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A 2013 book, "The Public School Advantage," by Christopher A. Lubienski and Sarah Theule Lubienski, describes the results of a look at two huge data sets of student mathematics performance, that found public school students outperform private school ones when adjusted for demographics. Pianta and Ansari refer to this book in this part of the report:


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Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:07 pm to
Who could have guessed parental involvement was important to a child's success?
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:08 pm to
University of Virginia.


Hmmmm...go figure.
Posted by mpar98
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:08 pm to
Shhh...private schools do not want you to know this
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:09 pm to
I went to a private school for my safety
Posted by HeadBusta4LSU
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:09 pm to
They’ve never visited Louisiana
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Waltzing Between the Raindrops
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:09 pm to
So they're saying white people are just better at school regardless of where they are?
Posted by PiscesTiger
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:09 pm to
Parental involvement and parental socioeconomics are all that matter. Much of the rest is just a by-product.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:10 pm to
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Who could have guessed parental involvement was important to a child's success?
It's not groundbreaking, by any means. But a lot of people think just sending a kid to private school and they're good when parental involvement is the most important factor.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:10 pm to
No shite.

Education is 90% based on parents/home environment and inherent IQ of the kid.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:10 pm to
Yes, public schools are probably better at educating students when adjusted for demographics.

But people choose private schools because the demographics are already adjusted.

Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:10 pm to
And how exactly do you adjust for demographics? Sounds like an easy way to get a predetermined result.
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:10 pm to
LOL
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:11 pm to
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So they're saying white people are just better at school regardless of where they are?

Asians and Jews are the best at school
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:11 pm to
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And how exactly do you adjust for demographics? Sounds like an easy way to get a predetermined result.
have you ever taken a statistics class?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:12 pm to
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Yes, public schools are probably better at educating students when adjusted for demographics.


Ehhh, I'm not willing to take it that far.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:12 pm to
About 20 years ago. I got an A but I'll be damned if I remember anything that Russian bitch said.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:13 pm to
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"In short, despite the frequent and pronounced arguments in favor of the use of vouchers or other mechanisms to support enrollment in private schools as a solution for vulnerable children and families attending local or neighborhood schools, the present study found no evidence that private schools, net of family background (particularly income), are more effective for promoting student success."


Hmmm...sounds like this study had an agenda.

They really did themselves a disservice by tossing those political references into the mix. It's an interesting and relevant enough research topic to stand on its own.

Maybe they just couldn't help themselves.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 12:28 pm
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:13 pm to
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all of the advantages supposedly conferred by private education evaporate when socio-demographic characteristics are factored in. There was also no evidence found to suggest that low-income children or children enrolled in urban schools benefit more from private school enrollment
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you can take the child out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the child?
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42904 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:14 pm to
Learning happens at home, bruh. The school is just responsible for presenting the info and testing. Schools aren’t the problem, the parents are.
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