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re: Potentially Unpopular Opinion Regarding Coronavirus
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:27 pm to t00f
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:27 pm to t00f
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I am sorry, I thought we are talking about people that have to be treated for coronavirus. You think the Urgent Care locations are dealing with the late term issues?
I was simply offering an alternate view that tanking the economy may not be worth “spreading out” the infection rate
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 11:28 pm
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:29 pm to CP3
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I was simply offering an alternate view that tanking the economy may not be worth “spreading out” the infection rate
And this is what my statement was in line with.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:30 pm to MidnightVibe
The current numbers, given the viral incubation period, symptom progression, and testing delays are completely irrelevant to any determination of the effectiveness of a quarantine.
Probably 90% of positive tests caught this thing before shelter in place rules.
You need a month of shelter in place before you judge it’s effectiveness.
Cases in Lombardy Italy, the first area reporting real data to do a shelter in place, began seeing a consistent drop in cases about a month after shelter in place.
Probably 90% of positive tests caught this thing before shelter in place rules.
You need a month of shelter in place before you judge it’s effectiveness.
Cases in Lombardy Italy, the first area reporting real data to do a shelter in place, began seeing a consistent drop in cases about a month after shelter in place.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:31 pm to CP3
As a business owner I am very upset right now.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:37 pm to t00f
quote:I think this is what people aren't computing... Urgent Care clinics aren't going to be any help.quote:quote:
When did the ER’s stop accepting patients due to lack of insurance ?
Where did he say ER? There are a lot of other places to receive healthcare than the emergency room.
I am sorry, I thought we are talking about people that have to be treated for coronavirus. You think the Urgent Care locations are dealing with the late term issues?
98, 99% of Covid infected people get "the cold", and plow through it fine at home.
That 1-2% that need medical treatment, we aren't arresting things with "just normal" hospitalization. If this shite gets the better of someone to the point that they need help, they are almost always headed towards a vent. We can't get their O2 sats up with just nasal cannulas.
This is what separates it from the flu and other things I've seen. It's scary how fast people decline, once they start.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:39 pm to MidnightVibe
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to let the virus run its course
Should we do the same if ebola hits? Ebola party for the kids and such.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:48 pm to LSUKNUT
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Heat and humidity does not kill it or slow it. It’s spreading like wildfire in S. Florida and we’ve had temps in the high 80’s to low 90’s for weeks.
90's and high humidity is the weather here every day all year long. Kuala Lumpur locked down March 17th and nothing is open except hospitals, clinics, a few restaurants for take out, pharmacies and grocery stores. The virus has not slowed a bit with number of cases each day.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:48 pm to Twenty 49
Considering the mortality rate for Ebola is like 25% at a minimum, thats a much different scenario.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:54 pm to MidnightVibe
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Discuss, if you'd like.
Everyone who agrees should also sign a waiver for willingly passing on access to an ICU bed for coronavirus infection.
Then I would have no problem with this plan.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:16 am to Volvagia
Pres. Trump today said riding it out is a bad idea.
LINK
But on February 26 he did say: "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."
March 9 he said: "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!"
So it is confusing, even for Trump. Treat it like the flu? Not the flu; millions will die without strong shutdown measures? Something else tomorrow?
His position is evolving.
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“What would have happened if we did nothing? Because there was a group that said, ‘Let’s just ride it out,’” he said, noting that even some people with “common sense” had offered such a recommendation. If that had been the case, he said, 2.2 million people would have died in a short span.
“Now, I don't think that would have been possible because you would have had people dying all over the place,” Trump said. “This would not have been a normal life. How many people have even seen anybody die? You would have seen people dying on airplanes. You would have been seeing people dying in hotel lobbies. You would have seen death all over.”
LINK
But on February 26 he did say: "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."
March 9 he said: "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!"
So it is confusing, even for Trump. Treat it like the flu? Not the flu; millions will die without strong shutdown measures? Something else tomorrow?
His position is evolving.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:24 am to cave canem
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This is the approach Sweden is taking, will be interesting to see how it works out and compare in hindsight.
Their number of deaths dwarfs their neighbors and banned large gatherings yesterday.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:50 am to JohnnyKilroy
Sweeden has 180 deaths. That is in a country of 10.4 million. Does not seem too scary to me.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 1:32 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:54 am to MidnightVibe
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The best course of action would be to let the virus run its course while taking whatever measures can be reasonably taken to(a) isolate those most at-risk from the virus infecting them and (b) to take measures, if they do get infected, to ensure that they are treated swiftly and with appropriate measures.
In the absence of actual evidence that this virus will get killed by heat and humidity, or an actual reasonably foreseeable treatment option is imminent, the current approach is not actually saving lives. It is simply extending some for a few months. In the absence of data indicating an actual reduction in the number of individuals infected with this virus -- which given the draconian restrictions and median 5-day incubation period we would have seen in most states -- the quarantining measures that are being taken are for naught.
Discuss, if you'd like.
Take a shot every time he says measures.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:57 am to Hopeful Doc
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I'm equal parts encouraged that this will bring a healthcare shift by cutting red tape and shifting the model of medicine back to how it was in earlier days and horrified that we could just about imagine seeing civil unrest in the near horizon.
Hopeful Doc is equal parts hopeful and terrified.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:58 am to LSUKNUT
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Heat and humidity does not kill it or slow it. It’s spreading like wildfire in S. Florida and we’ve had temps in the high 80’s to low 90’s for weeks.
Anyone who seriously thought heat and humidity would kill it AFTER the experts said it wouldn’t is a moron anyway.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:12 am to dkreller
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So you’re suggesting Trump should set up “camps” of some sort?
No
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:14 am to 1BamaRTR
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That’s not an unpopular opinion here
I honestly didn't know. The disappearing tennis 2020 tennis season has substantially curtailed my login regularity.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:18 am to bigberg2000
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I think the thought by the pros is that the same amount will get the virus but if you spread it out over time it won’t overwhelm them hospitals and they can treat people more easily and have the supplies needed.
Yeah, I get this argument. I've heard it roughly 589 times on facebook over the past 10 or say days.
I just don't find it particularly persuasive for at least two reasons:
1) I have seen no evidence of a nationally overstressed health care system. At most, this has been true in NY/NJ, and even there I think there's reason to suspect it's been overstated.
2) I've seen no evidence -- indeed, not even a single advanced argument -- that the people who died of this would have lived but for the depletion of health-care resources.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:18 am to MidnightVibe
No, we must watch the news and believe that this virus will kill 90% of the world's population. Doom and gloom is the only way!
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