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re: Potentially Unpopular Opinion Regarding Coronavirus
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:46 am to magildachunks
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:46 am to magildachunks
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Here's aflaw on this argument: China is making claims that it can be caught twice. So we aren't getting immune to it.
Think about this for your argument a second you fear mongering idiot. If that’s the case, we need to return to normal now. We can’t just make money, look at the city of NOLA losing 10% of their tax revenue already. That’s a lot of people’s jobs that have been collecting a pay check yelling at people to stay at home assuming their government job was safe.
If this can be caught twice, there’s absolutely no reason to do the social distancing as this would go on for a year or more.
Eta: the only reason it is thought it could potentially be caught twice is because early on a lot of tests were not accurate so they thought people had it that didn’t then when they actually caught it they tested positive.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 8:49 am
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:26 pm to Mo Jeaux
Sweden? There are many ways that Sweden is not analogous to the US, but even then, from this article:
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No, there’s no reasonable basis for acting like this is nothing or not having at least a basic concept of what we’re dealing with.
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It is too early to assess whether Sweden’s approach will have a benign or catastrophic outcome, but so far, the virus hasn’t spread widely there....The next two weeks will determine whether Sweden’s approach can succeed or if authorities bend to the reality of a rash of new cases, said Dr. Cecilia Söderberg-Nauclér, a physician and professor at the Karolinska Institute.
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No, there’s no reasonable basis for acting like this is nothing or not having at least a basic concept of what we’re dealing with.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:33 pm to baldona
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Here's aflaw on this argument: China is making claims that it can be caught twice. So we aren't getting immune to it.
Based on what I have read, those catching it a second time are very very few, the exception. It's not wise to base your opinion on the exception, that undermines your position.
Also, display's a lack of reasoning and good judgement on your behalf, but.... so does your opinion on this matter.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:35 pm to MidnightVibe
It's only unpopular because it's the most rational.
Even with 2.2 million dying (which wouldn't be the case because that's with ZERO mitigation and isolating the most at risk would bring those numbers down), that's less than 1% of the US population and a large number of those people would die from the age or underlying health conditions that put them at risk anyway. While they might cause a shock to the medical delivery system in the short term, removing them would actually greatly free up the system going forward.
This is nothing compared to the tens of millions of people whose lives will be devastated because of the economic suicide we're presently committing.
Even with 2.2 million dying (which wouldn't be the case because that's with ZERO mitigation and isolating the most at risk would bring those numbers down), that's less than 1% of the US population and a large number of those people would die from the age or underlying health conditions that put them at risk anyway. While they might cause a shock to the medical delivery system in the short term, removing them would actually greatly free up the system going forward.
This is nothing compared to the tens of millions of people whose lives will be devastated because of the economic suicide we're presently committing.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:38 pm to udtiger
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Even with 2.2 million dying (which wouldn't be the case because that's with ZERO mitigation and isolating the most at risk would bring those numbers down), that's less than 1% of the US population and a large number of those people would die from the age or underlying health conditions that put them at risk anyway. While they might cause a shock to the medical delivery system in the short term, removing them would actually greatly free up the system going forward.
This is nothing compared to the tens of millions of people whose lives will be devastated because of the economic suicide we're presently committing.
This position may strike some as callous. But from a utilitarian standpoint, I've not seen any evidence that it is erroneous. Where is the evidence that the benefit of the current measures outweighs their short and long term costs? I want someone in the government to present that case.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:39 pm to MidnightVibe
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The best course of action would be to let the virus run its course while taking whatever measures can be reasonably taken to(a) isolate those most at-risk from the virus infecting them
I still think y'all would complain when you realize how many people fall into the at-risk category.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:02 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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This position may strike some as callous. But from a utilitarian standpoint, I've not seen any evidence that it is erroneous
Because it's not.
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Where is the evidence that the benefit of the current measures outweighs their short and long term costs?
You haven't seen it because it's not there.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:14 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
I just hit reply so nothing in this post is directed toward any poster.
Scientists and Medical professionals have been studying SARS which is a first cousin to SARS-CoV- or COVID 19 for at least the past 12 years. They have yet to develop a vaccine or any good treatments for the first SARS type so I don't really understand the optimism that a for COVID 19 will be rolled out soon. In general Coronavirus, types mutate so rapidly that by the time a vaccine is tested it no longer works on new variants.
I hope like hell the optimism is warranted but I do not see any reason that this mutation of SARS will be easier to develop a working vaccine or even a good treatment protocol. I think it will work its way through the population and at some point, it will fade away into the background noise of diseases that we face every year like influenza, other coronaviruses, etc.
Ok I am rambling now but my point is I think it is worse than the gov't is letting on, so putting out the prediction of a vaccine in a year to 18 months is to ease panic and give the population hope for a relatively quick solution to this virus. Either way, it is scary shite with just the high infection rate and the possible long term damage to the patient's body from the infection.
Scientists and Medical professionals have been studying SARS which is a first cousin to SARS-CoV- or COVID 19 for at least the past 12 years. They have yet to develop a vaccine or any good treatments for the first SARS type so I don't really understand the optimism that a for COVID 19 will be rolled out soon. In general Coronavirus, types mutate so rapidly that by the time a vaccine is tested it no longer works on new variants.
I hope like hell the optimism is warranted but I do not see any reason that this mutation of SARS will be easier to develop a working vaccine or even a good treatment protocol. I think it will work its way through the population and at some point, it will fade away into the background noise of diseases that we face every year like influenza, other coronaviruses, etc.
Ok I am rambling now but my point is I think it is worse than the gov't is letting on, so putting out the prediction of a vaccine in a year to 18 months is to ease panic and give the population hope for a relatively quick solution to this virus. Either way, it is scary shite with just the high infection rate and the possible long term damage to the patient's body from the infection.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:18 pm to udtiger
One in five hospitalizations in NYC are young people, many who were previously healthy and with no preexisting conditions. I don't know where you think these two million dead are going to come from. With that number pretty much everyone is going to have a friend or family member die.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:26 pm to RabidTiger
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With that number pretty much everyone is going to have a friend or family member die
My parents and inlaws are all in their 80s and all have pre-existing conditions. They'd pretty much be goners.
The economic suicide that is going to demolish my and my kids' futures isn't worth it.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:44 pm to udtiger
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While they might cause a shock to the medical delivery system in the short term,
Which means additional people dying from other unrelated causes because they are unable to be given proper care.
So add that to the butcher’s bill.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:10 pm to Dominate308
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Prove your commitment and self infect.
Tell me how.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:11 pm to magildachunks
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Here's aflaw on this argument: China is making claims that it can be caught twice. So we aren't getting immune to it.
This is of course nonsense.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:16 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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This position may strike some as callous. But from a utilitarian standpoint, I've not seen any evidence that it is erroneous. Where is the evidence that the benefit of the current measures outweighs their short and long term costs? I want someone in the government to present that case.
You run into the problem of "how do you value human lives?".
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