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re: Potentially Unpopular Opinion Regarding Coronavirus

Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:21 am to
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:21 am to
Its not unpopular on here although it is wrong.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
17804 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:24 am to
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An executive stay-at-home order is literally the most restrictive thing the government can do and have it be constitutional. What else would you like? Seriously. Take a second and brainstorm. What else could the state possibly do that is more restrictive of individual liberties?


You proved your own point to be false. The government is still following the constitution. If they did something unconstitutional, I would call it Draconian.
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:27 am to
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Roughly half the COVID-19 patients admitted to ICU are dying, as are about 2/3s of those placed on ventilators. Experts expect 4.5 million Americans to be admitted to ICUs if 40% of Americans get infected (a high rate for a pandemic). Of these 4.5 million, perhaps 3 million would fall in the fat part of the bell curve that overwhelms our ICU capacity. Of those 3 million, about 1 million would get ample ICU treatment (that’s a guess). Sources:
Guardian article supporting the OP
Heealth Affairs article on rates of hospital admission etc..
So about 2 million ICU patients would be left untreated if we just let the virus run its course. Assuming we pick the least likely to survive from whom care is withheld, that those would have a higher than 2/3 chance of dying (let’s use 90%), and that they all die if we leave them without ICU care, then the price we’d pay is 10% of 2 million people. That’s 200,000 dead. Worth it?


I'd like to look over your proposed numbers a bit, but your point is certainly fair.
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:28 am to
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You proved your own point to be false. The government is still following the constitution. If they did something unconstitutional, I would call it Draconian.


Jesus TF Christ, dude.
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:28 am to
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Its not unpopular on here although it is wrong.


You are certainly allowed to disagree, but I'd love to hear your reasons why.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175706 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:29 am to
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Potentially Unpopular Opinion Regarding Coronavirus

Not nearly as aggressive as my psychotic solution
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:30 am to
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Not nearly as aggressive as my psychotic solution



Tell me more
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8692 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:31 am to
There's evidence going back a hundred years showing this works.

LINK
Posted by Eternally Undefeated
Member since Aug 2008
935 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:58 am to
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So about 2 million ICU patients would be left untreated if we just let the virus run its course. Assuming we pick the least likely to survive from whom care is withheld, that those would have a higher than 2/3 chance of dying (let’s use 90%), and that they all die if we leave them without ICU care, then the price we’d pay is 10% of 2 million people. That’s 200,000 dead. Worth it?


The "collateral damage" would be folks going to the hospital because of heart attacks, strokes, car accidents, etc. who need emergency and potentially ICU care. If the hospitals are jammed because of Covid-19, they're not available for those who don't have Covid-19.
Posted by Dominate308
South Florida
Member since Jan 2013
2895 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:06 am to
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The best course of action would be to let the virus run its course while taking whatever measures can be reasonably taken to(a) isolate those most at-risk from the virus infecting them and (b) to take measures, if they do get infected, to ensure that they are treated swiftly and with appropriate measures.

Prove your commitment and self infect.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:14 am to
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current approach is not actually saving lives. It is simply extending some for a few months.


If it prevents hospitals from being overwhelmed it does save lives
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
24941 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:20 am to
There is no way to stop the virus from spreading, but the current measures being taken are an attempt to mitigate the spreading.
Also, not make the same mistake Italy & Spain committed. By "letting it play out" and not attempting to slow down, the consequence would be sudden outbreaks and overcrowd hospitals. Italy and Spain's high death rates were caused by hospitals being over run, and not having enough equipment to treat all critically ill.
Considering the absolute monstrosity of this situation, I think US is doing quite well. IMHO
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
36637 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:20 am to
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In fact, you don't need any more than 21 days, and that's an outer estimate. After 21 days, every muh fuh'r that caught this the minute before quarantines went into effect is either now-immune or dead. Going a 22nd day will not make the first guy any more immune, and it won't make the second guy any more dead.



Here's aflaw on this argument: China is making claims that it can be caught twice. So we aren't getting immune to it.

And if you catch it once, it can damage your lungs. Twice may kill you.

If a second wave hits because people complain about having to stay at home and force re-openings too early, we could possibly see a significantly larger amount of deaths.


Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64605 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:23 am to
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China is making claims that it can be caught twice. So we aren't getting immune to it.





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And if you catch it once, it can damage your lungs.




Has this been proven? I know there was that non-peer-reviewed study based on 12 patients. Has there been more since?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:24 am to
It's unpopular because it's dangerously stupid.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64605 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:25 am to
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it's dangerously stupid.


Then follow Sweden, because this is what they're doing. We'll see.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:27 am to
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think the thought by the pros is that the same amount will get the virus but if you spread it out over time it won’t overwhelm them hospitals and they can treat people more easily and have the supplies needed.


theres that and the fear of death.

the idea of somehow saving people for another year or five. thats on the relatives and the medical community.
Posted by Jyrdis
TD Premium Member Level III
Member since Aug 2015
13533 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:35 am to
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Everyone who agrees should also sign a waiver for willingly passing on access to an ICU bed for coronavirus infection.

Then I would have no problem with this plan.




I’d happily pass along my ICU bed if this were the case.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39573 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:43 am to
If you can’t comprehend the operative facts at this point you are just too fricking stupid to be worth saving.

How the frick does this idiocy persist? How many times and by how many people does the factual basis of all this crap have to be clearly explained for this abject stupidity to go away?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64605 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:45 am to
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If you can’t comprehend the operative facts at this point you are just too fricking stupid to be worth saving.

How the frick does this idiocy persist? How many times and by how many people does the factual basis of all this crap have to be clearly explained for this abject stupidity to go away?


Talk to Sweden. Look, I get that it's a minority view, but don't come on here spouting this type of rhetoric as if there's no reasonable basis for taking the position.
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