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re: Pope Leo says God rejects prayers of leaders who wage wars
Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:02 pm to BowDownToLSU
Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:02 pm to BowDownToLSU
Interesting move admitting that the Catholic church went astray early on and isn't lead by God.
@Grok have any Catholic Popes waged wars?
"Yes, several Catholic popes have waged wars, either by directly calling for military campaigns (such as the Crusades), authorizing or financing them, or personally leading armies in the field—especially as rulers of the Papal States in central Italy. This was more common in the medieval and Renaissance periods, when the papacy held significant temporal (political and military) power alongside its spiritual role."
@Grok have any Catholic Popes waged wars?
"Yes, several Catholic popes have waged wars, either by directly calling for military campaigns (such as the Crusades), authorizing or financing them, or personally leading armies in the field—especially as rulers of the Papal States in central Italy. This was more common in the medieval and Renaissance periods, when the papacy held significant temporal (political and military) power alongside its spiritual role."
This post was edited on 3/29/26 at 8:16 pm
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:21 pm to BigBinBR
quote:Three Bible readings and a Psalm every Sunday.
Well I guess this shows you that Catholics don’t read scripture anymore
Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:24 pm to T1gerNate
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He is commenting on the utter disgrace that is unfolding in Iran.
JOOOOOOOOS
Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:25 pm to BowDownToLSU
These Popes are getting unbearable. Jesus gave some pretty clear instruction on who can come for forgiveness. He didn’t exclude anyone from having a relationship with God.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:29 pm to tigerfoot
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Jesus gave some pretty clear instruction on who can come for forgiveness. He didn’t exclude anyone from having a relationship with God.
Except those that reject forgiveness
Those blaspheme against the holy spirit.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:49 pm to BowDownToLSU
yet all throughout history war has been raged in his name for how long now? how did the catholic church become so powerful was it by force or was it love, yeah we all know this answer
This post was edited on 3/29/26 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:10 pm to SuperSaint
I knew the Trump following MAGA crowd would take arms to this
Catholics and Jews have never got along great
Catholics and Jews have never got along great
This post was edited on 3/29/26 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:14 pm to lsupride87
Yet another reason to ignore the Pope, not that there weren't many already
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:20 pm to Pepe Lepew
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So, God never heard King David?
First thing I thought.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:28 pm to lsupride87
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Catholics and Jews have never got along great
Care to add any context? The inquisition and a select few expulsions and largely Catholic/Orthodox pogroms? Maybe?
The 28 page, single spaced list of Jewish expulsions starts in 733 BC, but obviously not all of them are Catholic driven, but a lot of them were.
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Jews were gradually expelled from many parts of Europe in Medieval times and later: — from England in 1290, from France in 1306 and from Spain and Portugal in 1492 and 1497. They were also expelled from Hungary in 1376, from Sicily in the 15th century, from Bavaria in 1470, from Bohemia in 1542, By 1500, except for isolated communities in France and Italy, western Europe was virtually bereft of Jews, who were allowed to return to some places like England, but they still faced discrimination and exclusion from public life.
In medieval Europe and elsewhere, Jews were harshly persecuted, denied entrance into certain professions, prohibited from owning land, forced to pay extra taxes and excluded from the normal education system. Especially during and after of the Crusades of 1096, 1146–47, and 1189–90 and of the Black Death in 1348–49, things got really bad for Jews in Europe. During the Crusades, many Jews in Europe, particularly those in Germany, were slaughtered by Christian Crusaders who were on their way to Palestine to reclaim it from Islam. Whole communities were massacred, and others were expelled.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:44 pm to LemmyLives
quote:Killing the king Catholic to start
Care to add any context?
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:44 pm to BowDownToLSU
Augustine and Thomas Aquinas recognized that all wars are not equal. Some can be justified. Others, not. People committing injustice should not expect God to bless them or their actions.
Jesus teaches personal humility, forgiveness, and peacemaking (Gospel of Matthew 5), but at the same time that government has the authority to restrain evil (Epistle to the Romans 13). Those are two different roles -- personal conduct versus public responsibility.
I think Leo is just questioning if this action is just and therefore blessed by God.
Jesus teaches personal humility, forgiveness, and peacemaking (Gospel of Matthew 5), but at the same time that government has the authority to restrain evil (Epistle to the Romans 13). Those are two different roles -- personal conduct versus public responsibility.
I think Leo is just questioning if this action is just and therefore blessed by God.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:07 pm to RoyalWe
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I think Leo is just questioning if this action is just and therefore blessed by God.
Correct, the Old Testament is full of revenge, war, and incurring God’s wrath, then Jesus came and preached Love and Forgiveness in the New Testament. A lot of people, Jews including, were not happy about Jesus’s teachings.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:24 pm to lsupride87
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Killing the king Catholic to start
Look at you gatekeeping. Jesus was the savior of all of Christianity, right?
Shouldn't the "king" Catholic be God? I admit I don't understand the Trinity y'all get, but I also understand Romans playing dice over who got to kill Jesus is a wee bit different than the Jews killing him. Why is the Jew quoting the New Testament on your behalf?
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After they had nailed [Jesus] to the cross, the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice. Then they sat around and kept guard as he hung there. A sign was fastened above Jesus' head, announcing the charge against him. It read: "This is Jesus, the King of the Jews."
It's one of the stations of the Cross in the old city.
This post was edited on 3/29/26 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 3/30/26 at 5:29 am to BowDownToLSU
God must have ignored the Jesuits for centuries.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 6:45 am to BowDownToLSU
That must be news to King David.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:23 am to RoyalWe
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I think Leo is just questioning if this action is just and therefore blessed by God.
Doesn’t look to be questioning. Seems pretty much like a condemnation.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 8:16 am to BowDownToLSU
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VATICAN CITY — Pope Leo boldly proclaimed today that God does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war, so long as you don't count King David, or Joshua, or Gideon, or Samson, or Elijah, or Hezekiah, or any of those other people in the Bible.
Pope Leo further stated that you must also not count Saint Joan of Arc, Saint George, or any of the other Christian warriors who prayed to God.
"God will never answer the prayers of those waging war," declared Pope Leo. "That is, if you ignore that bit in the Bible about God answering Moses' prayer when Israel battled the Amalekites. And the bit about David's prayer before facing Goliath. And the bit about God answering Joshua's prayer when he marched on Jericho. And the bit about God answering Gideon's prayer when he fought the Midianites. And the bit about God answering Elijah's prayer at the showdown against the prophets of Baal. And the bit about God answering those Psalm prayers that King David composed when he was at war. And all the other bits in the Bible too."
The Pope assured listeners that other than those slight exceptions, God definitely does not listen to the prayers of those engaged in war. "The Lord otherwise will never, ever listen to those who wage battle," said Pope Leo. "Of course, not counting when God answered Saint Joan of Arc's prayers at Orleans . Or Saint George, don't count him either. Oh, or Saint Cornelius, or Saint Sebastian, or any of those guys. Oh, and not anyone operating under Just War Theory as defined by Saint Thomas Aquinas. But, yeah, other than that."
At publishing time, Pope Leo had clarified that you should also probably not count any modern Christian generals like George Washington, just to be safe.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 8:30 am to BowDownToLSU
If all Popes are called upon and ordained by God, how come they get different messages to deliver to followers? 
Posted on 3/30/26 at 8:31 am to High C
quote:I was trying to get at the theology behind it, but I agree -- he's clearly condemning "it."
Doesn’t look to be questioning. Seems pretty much like a condemnation.
So, what is "it"? If he's reacting to leaders casually invoking Christian language to justify the war, then he's probably got legitimate beef. If he's reacting to the "war" itself, then the way he's using Scripture feels broader than the text supports.
The Book of Isiah is being misused here. He says God "rejects the prayers of leaders who start wars." That's a broad claim and doesn't line up well with the full biblical picture. Scripture doesn't condemn all uses of force (and government explicitly is described as having authority to restrain evil). So if a war is just, it's hard to say those leaders are automatically outside of God's hearing.
I take more offense at his using Book of Isiah carelessly to condemn all war when that is not the message being conveyed in the Scripture. He should be more careful in the words he uses and if he's purposefully misusing Scripture to push his viewpoint then we should pray for him.
Instead of condemning all war, he should provide his reasoning for why the war is unjust.
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