re: Pope Leo says God rejects prayers of leaders who wage wars

Who started the war?


The problem with stuff like this from the pope is it lacks nuance. Iran has murdered Americans, Jews, Christians, and its own citizens for decades. Is the righteous thing to do to simply lay down and take it or put a stop to it? Considering we are targeting the regime and their apparatus and not innocent civilians I don’t see this war as anything but a righteous action.

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the pope lamented that ?Christians ?in the Middle East "are suffering the consequences of an atrocious conflict"

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Oh yea, it’s our fault Christians in the Middle East are persecuted and not the Muslims. frick this piece of shite

1) there are multiple instances in the bible of leaders calling on and crediting God for answering their prayers before battle.

2) any human who presumes to know what prayers God answers or doesn’t is so full of hubris they can’t even recognize it.

3) we should all pray for peace always, but Jesus was no pacifist and neither can leaders be.

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1) there are multiple instances in the bible of leaders calling on and crediting God for answering their prayers before battle.

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Obviously, there is such a thing as a just war in Catholic teaching. The one who ultimately decides all of this is God The Father. We are just doing our best sometimes and sometimes we aren’t.

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Is he saying God ignored King David’s prayers?

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Was a unified world really His intention? I think absolutely yes. It's the entire point of the New Testament after Jesus' Ascension

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Thanks for response! Appreciated.

I struggle with landing the same way here.
I wish to believe that unity was His desired outcome. However, listening with my eyes, I do not get there.

In particular, when and where John 3:16 happened…required impossible physical logistics, language translations, many shepherds, time horizons, and population growth differences across world to efficiently spread His word.

The irony, in particular is hard for me to ignore. Man is fallen, hence John 3:16, and yet the entirety of His plan to spread His word (for man’s salvation, the ultra center of Christianity) is placed on the effectiveness of fallen man’s ability to solve impossible physical logistics, language translations, many shepherds, time horizons, and population growth differences, etc.

Fallen man needs John 3:16. For John 3:16 for world rests on fallen man’s back.

My conclusion, if God wanted unity, His plan to spread His word efficiently would have been different.

Do not wish to think God is bad planner. So, unity is meant for only parts of world that His logistics plan could touch.

Salvation, as the central feature of what this whole life experience is all about, is seemingly is far too dependent on too many things for profound eternal life or death consequences.

Summary, I want to believe unity of all is the plan. However, it appears that God did not plant his word on Earth when / where / how that could ever be possible.

Unity of some, I conclude.

Apparently he has never heard of Israel's second king, David, who waged countless wars and relied entirely upon God in every way - and is remembered in scripture as a "man after God's own heart."

Of course, far be it from me to expect a man claiming to be God's premier emissary on the earth to actually speak according to God's word and will.

Yeah, no threat. Dumbass.

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Yeah, no threat. Dumbass.

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Seriously, do you even know what you’re posting? That is a photo of US Navy sailors that was taken IN IRAN! No one disputes they shouldn’t have been there. They were detained and released UNHARMED after a few hours. And that is your evidence that Iran posed a threat to the USA? Think man!