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Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:14 am to burger bearcat
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word vomit answer
There's nothing more I hate when I get one of these. The problem is if you gloss over it then you'll miss something that will come back to bite you in the arse.
Emails should never be more than 4 sentances
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:18 am to burger bearcat
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You ask certain people for specific information on an email. And they proceed to respond with a word vomit answer with an endless maze of options and possibilities. And then a few minutes later you get the dreaded follow up phone call from the same person wanting to further expand and ramble on about their text book they already sent me.
I deal with this every dang day in the same field. Drives me crazy. A yes or no question will be answered with a 400 word email that doesn't answer the question.
This post was edited on 8/17/26 at 9:31 am
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:18 am to CAD703X
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openly admit a mistake even if I'm on a call with 30 people.
Some of those 30 will try to dirt roll you for it too.
It requires some semblance of backbone to do it which is why people dont. People want to get paid decision makers pay without making any decisions and a lot of them get away with it.
Ie a whole buncha pussies
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:20 am to burger bearcat
It's a method for hiding incompetence. You speak in circles until the original point is lost to either confuse and misdirect the person asking the question or to buy yourself time.
I have a director that works for me that does this, and since I've realized I refuse to take calls from her. I ask a question on teams, she will call to explain, I decline the call and redirect her to teams, sometimes giving specific bullet points that need to be answered
I have a director that works for me that does this, and since I've realized I refuse to take calls from her. I ask a question on teams, she will call to explain, I decline the call and redirect her to teams, sometimes giving specific bullet points that need to be answered
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:31 am to burger bearcat
quote:is it? i think that is more dependent on the question being asked.
I work in a field that should be fairly black and white? Building/construction/engineering
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:44 am to burger bearcat
Feminization of our Culture.
Makes it challenging to manage a campaign of military conquest.
"Did your unit arrive at the objective at the time stated in the Op Plan?"
"Well, see, about that Op Plan - I feel like my views on it were not respected and I didn't feel validated."
"So, you didn't take the hill yet?"
"I'm feeling a bit oppressed right now because you're making noises that seem hostile to me right now. Why are you challenging me about this?"
Makes it challenging to manage a campaign of military conquest.
"Did your unit arrive at the objective at the time stated in the Op Plan?"
"Well, see, about that Op Plan - I feel like my views on it were not respected and I didn't feel validated."
"So, you didn't take the hill yet?"
"I'm feeling a bit oppressed right now because you're making noises that seem hostile to me right now. Why are you challenging me about this?"
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:51 am to BrohemAlem11
Why can't you simply fire the incompetent female director?
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:53 am to burger bearcat
It’s only going to get worse when 97% of people use start using an LLM to draft all of their emails.
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:54 am to burger bearcat
Last Friday we had a 4 hour discussion on a type of soil we have been using since 1975.
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:55 am to JohnnyKilroy
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going to get worse when 97% of people use start using an LLM to draft all of their emails.
I thjnk 97% of people are already doing that some days.
My manager was completely aghast that I was not going to use chat gpt for an email to our director.
frick all that. If it has my name on it, I wrote it.
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:11 am to BrohemAlem11
We used to call it being “baffled by bullshite” and those types were avoided.
Seemingly harmless wording changes like calling a problem a challenge shouldn’t render the old word a sign of lack of understanding.
“We have a problem here, the blueprint puts the door where it hits the vent pipe on the roof. Do you want it 2 feet to the right or 3 feet to the left?” Or do you want me to smash out the vent pipe?
“There are no problems, we only have challenges here….blah blah blah…
Seemingly harmless wording changes like calling a problem a challenge shouldn’t render the old word a sign of lack of understanding.
“We have a problem here, the blueprint puts the door where it hits the vent pipe on the roof. Do you want it 2 feet to the right or 3 feet to the left?” Or do you want me to smash out the vent pipe?
“There are no problems, we only have challenges here….blah blah blah…
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:20 am to burger bearcat
quote:
You ask certain people for specific information on an email. And they proceed to respond with a word vomit answer with an endless maze of options and possibilities. And then a few minutes later you get the dreaded follow up phone call from the same person wanting to further expand and ramble on about their text book they already sent me.
It’s because we live in a world where everyone is looking for someone else to blame problems on.
Everyone has to qualify the living hell out of everything they share because if something goes wrong, some arm-chair QB is going to scrutinize every word.
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:22 am to burger bearcat
Some people need to feel connected and heard because they have psychological problems, or not enough people in their real lives that care about them.
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:22 am to Dadren
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some arm-chair QB is going to scrutinize every word.
And you should promptly respond to them that if they knew the answer, saw the question, and didnt answer it they've forfeit any right to comment about anything. If you want to opine on the decision, do it before the decision gets made and not after everyone sat around looking for someone to make the decision that you did not make.
Man that one usually winds them up nicely.
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:29 am to burger bearcat
This thread devolved into two things.
bullshite corporate email responses. Which, rightfully so, should be mocked and ignored.
But back to the OP, responses from Engineers. This isn’t a hate on Engineers response either since half the OT seems to be one. You just need to understand that their minds don’t work like us normal folks. They think they are helping when they wander off into the dark recesses of their mind and start quoting shite from a 1946 textbook on material sciences when all you wanted to know is if the shite could take the load or not. As we say about one of my relatives (a ME):
If you ask him the time, he will explain how to build a clock.
bullshite corporate email responses. Which, rightfully so, should be mocked and ignored.
But back to the OP, responses from Engineers. This isn’t a hate on Engineers response either since half the OT seems to be one. You just need to understand that their minds don’t work like us normal folks. They think they are helping when they wander off into the dark recesses of their mind and start quoting shite from a 1946 textbook on material sciences when all you wanted to know is if the shite could take the load or not. As we say about one of my relatives (a ME):
If you ask him the time, he will explain how to build a clock.
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:29 am to Loup
quote:
A yes or know question will be answered with
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:30 am to SuperSaint
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SuperSaint
fuggggg that was sloppy of me.
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:37 am to burger bearcat
quote:
You ask certain people for specific information on an email. And they proceed to respond with a word vomit answer with an endless maze of options and possibilities. And then a few minutes later you get the dreaded follow up phone call from the same person wanting to further expand and ramble on about their text book they already sent me
At least you got a reply via email first. I was working with a banker on a project, and every time I emailed him, he'd call me back to tell me he just received my email and respond to my email over the phone. If I didn't answer, he'd reply to my email and ask me to call him.
Had to inform him on a number of occasions that this is not how emails work and defeats the purpose of quick responses when convenient for either party. Eventually asked why he was afraid of putting anything in writing and then terminated the contract and switched banks.
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:40 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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And you should promptly respond to them that if they knew the answer, saw the question, and didnt answer it they've forfeit any right to comment about anything. If you want to opine on the decision, do it before the decision gets made and not after everyone sat around looking for someone to make the decision that you did not make.
The arm chair QBs I had in mind were oversight/regulatory agencies.
I work for a bank so we can’t just tell the FDIC or FRB examiners your opinion doesn’t matter…as much as I would love to.
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