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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish

Posted on 10/17/19 at 4:48 pm to
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 4:48 pm to
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other regulatory agencies to monitor debris and particulate fall out, as well as monitoring and providing the 'all clear' for the area.


What's a good spot to get a good view and be safe but close enough to qualify for the particulate fall out lawsuit?

Asking for a friend
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 4:57 pm to
Can someone give a run down on this situation for someone out of the loop and now living on the west coast.


I haven't followed except for the initial couple hours after the collapse.

I heard from my dad that there are several blocks each direction shut down.


I got an email from NOAC saying they partnered with other gyms for members to use their services.


Bodies recovered? Figure out what caused it? What's the timelines? Does it all have to come down? Anyone going to jail? What politician's pet project was it? Corners cut? How's the rampart street car line?


I have a feeling if I read the 63 pages it will be mostly filled with bullshite



Thanks in advance


Geaux tigahs
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 4:57 pm to
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Out of the many theories in this thread, this one seems to be the most consistent amongst the guys that know what they're talking about and looking at.
It's not accurate.
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I'm a novice when it comes to this stuff, but even I can read all the decking charts posted along with the plans and see something isn't right.
a decking chart of metal decking designed to be incorporated in a composite slab has been posted. It is rated for these span lengths. In some of the pictures, it looks questionable as to whether the spec decking was used.

The forensic examination will determine the root cause.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 5:02 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 5:04 pm to
"Something" caused a pancake collapse of the upper floors of the still under construction hotel.

As part of that collapse, some items fell into the streets (Canal / Rampart), as well as an exterior temp construction elevator fell across Rampart and crashed into the Saenger Theater.

It is not a total collapse, the lower floors (which would have made up the parking garage) are intact but compromised. The hotel was basically built on top of said garage.

There is an evacuation order of several square blocks which includes the NOAC and the Saneger, and a few restaurants, and the hostel, and a few other businesses. There is a larger zone surrounding it of street closures.

The collapse also severely damaged the two cranes on-site. One in particular is in danger of collapse, of course, if it were to collapse, it could take out whatever it hits. The evacuation zone is pretty much what would be hit by a falling crane.

And because it's NOLA and we can never catch a break, there is a late season tropical issue that, while a head-on hit is unlikely, could bring 30 MPH gusts into the city starting tomorrow night. That could cause one or both cranes, which are weakened and no longer secure, to collapse.

Thus, because time is of the essence, the decision has been made to do a controlled explosion to destroy / bring down the cranes, and keep the debris in the footprint.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 5:08 pm to
I don’t trust a single NOLA government, city, FD, NOPD etc official to make any competent decisions related to this shite show.

I can’t even trust them to send clean tap water to my house.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 5:15 pm to
Thank you Gent
Posted by GEAUXT
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 5:29 pm to
I sure wouldn't want to be one of the dudes up there setting charges
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 5:33 pm to
Quite possible that the cranes are brought down in the middle of the night so this doesn’t become a spectator’s sport.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 5:48 pm to
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Quite possible that the cranes are brought down in the middle of the night so this doesn’t become a spectator’s sport.


They've already said they will do this tomorrow before it becomes dark

WWL is also livestreaming the construction site 24/7 on youtube anyway
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 5:50 pm
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:02 pm to
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Quite possible that the cranes are brought down in the middle of the night so this doesn’t become a spectator’s sport



Haha umm NO


They are not setting off explosive charges on huge cranes at night to crash into a collapsed building.

Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:08 pm to
I saw on Facebook Anthony Magrette's family confirmed he was the guy seen running on the side of the building. He had his harness on and it pulled him back.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:36 pm to
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Quite possible that the cranes are brought down in the middle of the night so this doesn’t become a spectator’s sport.


They are telling folks on the edge of the current evacuation to expect 3 hours notice of time tomorrow and to plan to be evacuated for 3-4 hours. Likely afternoon. There’s some extra businesses and very full hotels around the fringe trying to game plan now with limited info.

For instance: at noon you get the heads up to be gone 3-7pm.
Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:38 pm to
Who is in charge of placing these explosives?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:40 pm to
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Who is in charge of placing these explosives?


I hope Latoya is and she blows herself up or someone blows her up on purpose.
Posted by djangochained
Gardere
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:43 pm to
An explosive demo expert
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:46 pm to
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They've already said they will do this tomorrow before it becomes dark

12:01 AM is tomorrow before it BECOMES dark. They never said they wouldn't do it if it was ALREADY dark. They're almost certainly not insane enough to do it without evacuating everyone a little farther out than the current evacuation, though, so we'd probably know if they were planning to do it overnight.

I'd plan for noon. Get people out starting at 9, back in by 3.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 6:51 pm
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
7636 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:48 pm to
Pretty sure it’s the same company that did the hotel at Canal and interstate.
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
3214 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:49 pm to
I have a hard time believing they're relying on the interior stud walls to support the concrete deck. I see nothing in the plans to indicate such an important detail... there would have been sections and details... dimensions, etc of any structural walls. Or there should have been.

I still say they didn't use VLI deck, well because that ain't VLI deck in the picture below... but there is obviously more rebar than what is shown in the plans, so they obviously changed something from the permit plans.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 6:56 pm
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33256 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:52 pm to
I don’t buy that either. If that were the case the load bearing partition walls would have been framed prior to the concrete deck above being poured
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2846 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:53 pm to
I investigate failures for a living. With stuff like this (failures,Ruptures, etc.) it's either...

Normal Strength / excess stress

or

Less than normal strength / normal stress.

Those are generally the only two options. If the stress was normal its a strength issue and so on. I know its a simplification but some folks never get there.
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