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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish

Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:54 pm to


Nola.com posted this. I don’t think I saw it posted here yet.
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
33417 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:10 pm to
Another lawsuit filed today
LINK
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The lawsuit, filed Thursday in Orleans Parish Civil District Court, goes beyond two previous suits by spelling out allegations against the developer – Kailas Companies – with specific claims about shoddy design and construction.

quote:

In particular, the suit alleges:
-- “Delays, design changes, and shortcuts created extra challenges to the project.”
-- The building “had no steel frame on (the) outside and no cross bracing” and on the upper floors of the 18-story structure, there were insufficient “horizontal beams, fill beams and pole jacks” to support the structure.
-- “In other cost-cutting measures, unskilled and under-supervised labor was used on the site.”

And...
quote:

Also Thursday, in a previously filed lawsuit on behalf of three workers, attorneys submitted a motion for the developers, contractors, architects and engineers to preserve all evidence connected to the project.


This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 7:15 pm
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
3214 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:13 pm to
quote:

Normal Strength / excess stress

or

Less than normal strength / normal stress.


Doesn't sound like you work on structures.
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2846 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:22 pm to
It sounds like you don’t do failure analysis for a living.

it holds true for anything. Normal construction / strength and a excess load, it fails

Less than normal strength / normal load, it fails

Doesn't matter if its a structure or piping.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 8:39 pm
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
3214 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:25 pm to
“Several days prior to the collapse of the building, workers noticed support beams bowing and failing, however construction proceeded apace with no immediate stop in work or change in plans,” the suit states.

The plaintiffs also state that the “decking materials and supports were too thin, and there was no expansion iron.”

“Before the building collapse, several inch dips began appearing in concrete decking on the upper floors, indicating either that the concrete had no adequately cured, the building lacked structural support, or both.”
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:26 pm to
That photo is misleading.

See that pile of rubble behind the drawn lines, no need to mislead .
Posted by Nicky Parrish
Member since Apr 2016
7098 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:27 pm to
As bad as the lost of life was for the families that lost loved ones, I can’t help but think of the number of lives that would have been lost had it been completed and collapsed.
A hotel at max capacity during Mardi Gras, Super Bowl, or any of the Festivals that are held in NOLA.
Prayers for the families of the lost ones.
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
35426 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:29 pm to
quote:

preserve all evidence connected to the project.




That’s very standard
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
35426 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:30 pm to
quote:

Nicky Parrish


Definitely a pessimist

Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33256 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:31 pm to
quote:

As bad as the lost of life was for the families that lost loved ones, I can’t help but think of the number of lives that would have been lost had it been completed and collapsed. A hotel at max capacity during Mardi Gras, Super Bowl, or any of the Festivals that are held in NOLA. Prayers for the families of the lost ones.


shite if this thing came down a day or two before or after during the week and 50-100 workers get killed

Sounds harsh but it’s a miracle it happened when it did and only 3 died
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
35426 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:33 pm to
Is anyone still hanging their hat on the dumpster drop, improper beam loading on the side of the building, or pool theory?

I’m all in on shitty design and construction.
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3771 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:35 pm to
maybe a dumb question but could they not attach the cabling attached to the cranes to something on the roof to steer the direction of the crane collapse when it’s demo’d.
Posted by Mrtommorrow1987
Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2008
13473 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:35 pm to
Are they blowing the whole thing up or just the cranes?
Posted by Mrtommorrow1987
Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2008
13473 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

maybe a dumb question but could they not attach the cabling attached to the cranes to something on the roof to steer the direction of the crane collapse when it’s demo’d.


You are on to something.
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
2489 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:40 pm to
I see what looks like a flashlight on it right now?
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
2489 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:47 pm to
They could bring in crane mats to protect the road from the hoss picker. I wonder what the possibility of attaching the crane and start cutting smaller pieces off of it like cutting down a tree from the top.
Where is birdseed!
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
2489 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:50 pm to
Is there one of these on the gulf coast? LINK
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
7636 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:51 pm to
No crane company wants to touch it.
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
2489 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:55 pm to
I bet the Operators do, its legal that doesn’t.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

but could they not attach the cabling attached to the cranes to something on the roof


Attach a tower crane to the roof of a building that has already partially collapsed?

Yeah. I can see that.
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